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Re: A quick question...
by Christensen Tom 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

I can't get it to work properly on my system... I'm running core 2 test1, the properties pane never shows anything... probably just me being stupid though. Anyway, I think I will continue to hack away for a week or so (we started off very similarly with the tree on the left like that and a properties pane) I'm taking a slightly more involved approach though, attempting to add support for classes, pools, multiple subnets on one interface, and shared networks right out of the gate... (I need all of those things on my network). I just started today on it, so I have a basic GUI, and I've been working on the backend quite a bit, we'll see I guess (btw I'm now subscribed to config as well, sorry I didn't see that list for whatever reason...) Thanks, Tom >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Yes you are duplicating work, that's a question for fedora-config-list >http://config-dhcpd.sourceforge.net/ it not exactly complete, but what is >done >works and works pretty much properly. >that said, duplicating work isn't always a bad thing. >On Monday 01 March 2004 05:08, Christensen Tom wrote: > > I am using pygtk and the rhpl stuff I have read through the devel > > guidelines on fedora.redhat.com > > > > I will talk to the K12LTSP community as well, thanks for the contact >info > > :) Tom > > > > >Christensen Tom wrote: > > >>I started devel work on a DHCP configuration tool (as the >configuration > > >>site at fedora said there isn't one) I was wondering if I'm >duplicating > > >>work? Is another tool in the pipe somewhere? Should I jump on with >those > > >>people? I have quite a bit of DHCP experience and coding experience, >I > > >>manage a large enterprise network using DHCP, and some pretty advanced > > >>stuff like Option 82, and I've written alot of scripts to auto config >my > > >>system for me, if no one else is working on this, I should have a very > > >>alpha configurator by the end of this week if anyone else is >interested. > > >>Thanks, > > >>Tom > > > > > >You mean dhcpd server right? As long as you are working on this, >please > > >consider the following: > > > > > >* Perhaps use the "rhpl" and pygtk stuff shared among the >redhat-config-* > > >and system-config-* tools. I have not personally looked at it yet, but > > >they seem to share that package for common functions (?) > > >* Common RH/Fedora configuration options like used for tftp/PXE boot > > >(installer) and tftp/PXE/etherboot (K12LTSP). I would encourage you to > > >talk to Eric Harrison and the K12LTSP community on the K12OSN list. > > > > > >http://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >K12OSN list (Fedora for Educators and K12LTSP) > > > > > >That's all I can think from the top of my head for now. > > > > > >Warren > > > > > > > > >-- > > >fedora-devel-list mailing list > > >fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com > > >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > >- -- >Public Key available Here: >http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/rjune.asc >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFAQxyVoEoft/7GAvIRAhm+AKCs8W5nJbe90LKKmZ+1M4D0oRuRKACfaLV7 >431Mx6Whe0oJRs+WM+9BI5g= >=4W/Q >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >-- >fedora-devel-list mailing list >fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/

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Major upgrade of apt (0.5.15cnc5) in fedora.us stable!
by Panu Matilainen 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Some great news for the apt-rpm users out there! This is a bit lengthy but contains important information about this new version in so bear with me, or at least do read the migration notes below if you're upgrading from an older release. Migration notes for the impatient upgrader ------------------------------------------ To make all the cool new stuff possible, and to make the default configuration less fedora.us specific, some rearrangements had to be made and not everything was possible to automatically migrate. However if you haven't heavily modified your local configuration, things should continue to "just work" after this upgrade. Most important changes to configuration system are listed below, or see more detailed information later in the text under "local changes and improvements" subject: 1) The main configuration, eg /etc/apt/apt.conf, will be moved out of the way during the upgrade. Again, if you haven't changed the configuration there's nothing you need to do, but if you have you'll need to manually merge the changes back from /etc/apt/apt.conf.rpmsave to the main configuration file. Apologies for any inconvenience caused, but rest assured this is a one-time only change and wont happen again. 2) There's a new mirror/repository selector system included in this release. The first time you run any apt-command you'll be presented with a list of repositories and their mirrors. If you already have fine-tuned your sources.list to perfection or otherwise don't want to change anything just press 'q' here and nothing will be changed and you wont be bothered again. Otherwise, just follow the instructions to complete the mirror selection to make your downloads faster. You can re-run the mirror selector anytime later with "apt-get mirror-select" command. 3) Some of the default configuration values have been changed, notably there's no longer "Default-Release" pin set by default. It was removed since it caused more confusion than the intended protection to users, but if you have included testing/unstable repositories in your sources.list this might cause some unwanted packages to get updated and might want to manually add the pin back to apt.conf. And now lets get on with the good stuff: Improvements in upstream apt-rpm -------------------------------- No more --nodeps! ---------------- >From version 0.5.15cnc3 upwards apt uses the RPM API to do package installations, erasures and upgrades in a single atomic transaction. This means smoother and more correct operation and also means that you can't bitch about apt using --nodeps anymore ;) You can still enable the old behavior of external RPM process if you wish, by setting RPM::PM="external" option though. Support for handling arbitrary local and remote rpms: ---------------------------------------------------- Ever wished you could use apt like rpm to install that lonely rpm you just downloaded, with the dependencies resolved like? Well, now you can! These work with full dependency resolving now: # apt-get install ~/rpm/RPMS/my-package-1.2.4-1.rpm # apt-get install http://some.site/somewhere/my-package-1.2.4-1.i386.rpm These also work with build-dep and source commands, both for local and remote src.rpms: # apt-get build-dep ~/rpm/SRPMS/your-package-1.2.4-1.src.rpm $ apt-get source http://some.site/somewhere/your-package-1.2.4-1.src.rpm On top of that, as a nice side-effect of build-dep now supporting arbitrary file dependencies you can also install software by file names: # apt-get install /usr/bin/automake ..and there's even more - for additional information see this LWN article: http://lwn.net/Articles/60650/ Local changes and improvements in Fedora.us apt package ------------------------------------------------------- Configuration rearrangements and changes: ---------------------------------------- Apt now ships with bare-bones "factory default" settings located in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default.conf which is repository/vendor neutral and simply contains optimal values for operation with Fedore Core 1. Do not customize that file, changes there will not be preserved to allow updating the base config without messing your local changes to the main /etc/apt/apt.conf. This change does make life easier in the future but it does have a one-time annoyance of requiring you to merge any changes you've made to apt.conf from apt.conf.rpmsave after updating to this package. Similarly there aren't any repositories set by default in sources.list, that is handled by the new repository selector (see below). Repository/mirror selector: -------------------------- When you start the new version of apt for the first time it'll ask you to choose the repositories you want and for each repository the nearest mirror. If you don't want your sources.list to be touched, just hit 'q' and never mind. You can later re-run the selector with "apt-get mirror-select" if you wish to change your selections. The mirror-selector supports arbitrary number of repositories and mirrors and allows 3rd party repositories to add their own repositories by just dropping in a config file into apt.conf.d with a single setting, pointing to your repositorys mirror-list. Handling of kernel and related packages: --------------------------------------- The new version will handle kernel, and any packages in allow-duplicated or automatically "virtualized" transparently to the user along with upgrade/dist-upgrade: [root@chip root]# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be upgraded lftp (2.6.5-4 => 2.6.10-1) The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel#2.4.22-1.2135.nptl (2.4.22-1.2135.nptl) kernel-source#2.4.22-1.2135.nptl (2.4.22-1.2135.nptl) 1 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 removed and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/54.5MB of archives. After unpacking 205MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Actually it will even update your kernel-module-foo packages if such are present on your system, and if you use GRUB as the bootloader it will also automatically make the new kernel the default one. To disable that behavior, set "Kernel::Set-Default=false" in apt.conf. To disable upgrading of kernel completely, set "RPM::Upgrade-Virtual=false" in apt.conf. Other cool scripts: ------------------ There are various interesting Lua-scripts enhancing apt in various ways included in contrib/ directory of /usr/share/doc/apt-0.5.15cnc4/contrib, for usage instructions see the README's. - Panu -

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Self-Introduction: Jose Pedro Oliveira
by Jose Pedro Oliveira 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

1. Full Legal Name: José Pedro Garcia de Oliveira 2. Country, City: Portugal, Braga 3. Profession: Teaching Assistant 4. University: Universidade do Minho 5. Goals in the Fedora Project Maintain the syslog-ng/libol specfiles. - Which packages do you want to see published? Network and system administration related (eg: Nagios, Snort, ...) - Do you want to do QA? Yes. 6. Historical qualifications Worked as a Software Engineer in the industry. - Computer languages: Present: Perl, C Past: SqlWindows, Visual Basic, Pascal, C++, Assembly (80x86, Z80, 8051), Prolog, - Other skills: System administration 7. GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/91BD851B 2003-08-07 Jose Pedro Oliveira <jpo(a)di.uminho.pt> Key fingerprint = F9B6 8D87 859D 1C94 48F0 84C0 9749 9EB5 91BD 851B jpo -- José Pedro Oliveira * gpg fingerprint = F9B6 8D87 859D 1C94 48F0 84C0 9749 9EB5 91BD 851B *

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Future of X?
by David Wagoner 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

With the recent license changes made by the XFree86 devel team I am curious to see what the future of X will be in Fedora. I know there is x.org's xserver which is basically a fork of XFree86 4.4 release before the license was changed. Will Fedora adopt that in the future? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

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re: new project
by alexluca＠inwind.it 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

yes but there are many other people that dont know nothing about the linux system!!! This is a way to introduce him fedora and all the best fedora's application... The desktop, the config, the project and many other thing! I think the newbie like it! Please... the intro is at http://luka4e.fedoraitalia.org/intro_1/ -- --Luca Ferrari-- www.spazioinwind.libero.it/kamaleonte

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Building 2.6 kernels on FC1
by Michel Alexandre Salim 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Hi all, I have been trying to track down the problems with my Firewire external drive unit, and thought I would try building a 2.6.3 kernel using Red Hat's spec for UP i686 on FC1, using gcc32 and gcc 3.3, and copy the result over. The result, simply said, is interesting. This is taken using 2.6.3-mm3 with gcc 3.3, but other results are similar. /lib/modules/linux-2.6.3-mm3: 376 MB linux-2.6.3-mm3 build directory: 1.4G linux-2.6.3-mm3/arch/i386/boot/bzImage: 1.5M saying those were a bit on the large size would be a bit of an understatement.. it turns out make modules_install is doing bizarre things; a listing of kernel/drivers/acpi does this for instance: total 1768 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7938 Feb 24 23:58 ac.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 185294 Feb 24 23:58 ac.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33213 Feb 24 23:58 asus_acpi.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 204759 Feb 24 23:58 asus_acpi.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20347 Feb 24 23:58 battery.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 194175 Feb 24 23:58 battery.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13126 Feb 24 23:58 button.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 187411 Feb 24 23:58 button.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6658 Feb 24 23:58 fan.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183526 Feb 24 23:58 fan.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 61229 Feb 24 23:59 processor.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 240387 Feb 24 23:59 processor.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35245 Feb 25 00:00 thermal.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 206273 Feb 25 00:00 thermal.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13610 Feb 25 00:00 toshiba_acpi.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189128 Feb 25 00:00 toshiba_acpi.ko 1) .c source files are installed 2) size bloat of an order of magnitude I will try rebuilding the Fedora kernel next - on FC1 and FC2-devel, gcc32 and gcc 3.3. Which reminds me - why does the kernel Makefile define both HOSTCC and HOSTCXX ? IIRC the kernel contains zero LOC of C+ +. Thanks, - Michel

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-march=i386 -mcpu=i686 - I'm so sick of seeing that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ByteEnable 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

-march=i386 -mcpu=i686 - I'm so sick of seeing that! god, can't u ppl leave optimizations alone. Why not just do -march=i386 then leave it alone! Byte

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Re: new project
by alexluca＠inwind.it 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

>I can see where something like this could have value for a new user >but >I have two requirements for it: >1) It can't take away from core developer's time to integrate. There >are many things of more priority than something that'll only run once >and is more marketing than actual documentation. >2) It must have a cancel button so people don't have to see it if they >don't want to. You have right for this! I think: Mozilla start with it but if you want to skip you can simply press the mozilla's Close button, no? >IMHO, Fedora is currently used by people who don't really want or need >this "feature." Moving beyond that user base is something I hope will >happen (and something like this may be appropriate to advance that >purpose) but I don't see it as the purpose of FC2. why? Bye bye! >Just my $0.02, >-Toshio

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(fwd) Perl/mod_perl test update
by Chip Turner 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

The perl update includes the virtual provides for perl modules to use to rely on when they are built against it as discussed a couple weeks ago. Anyone who can give this a whirl and let me know any breakages, I'd appreciate it; should be a fairly safe update but I want to get 5.8.3 on all supported RHL/RHEL/Fedora releases that are currently in the 5.8.x family. Thanks, Chip -- Chip Turner cturner(a)redhat.com Red Hat, Inc.

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mdmonitor mdmpd ???
by Brian Millett 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Hi, after the update over the weekend, I get that the mdmonitor service starts, but that the mdmpd fails. What are these services ??? I have a toshiba laptop, do I need to have these? Thanks. -- Brian Millett Enterprise Consulting Group "Shifts in paradigms (314) 205-9030 often cause nose bleeds." bpmATec-groupDOTcom Greg Glenn

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