Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html
The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant improvements and changes.
Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:42:52AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html
The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant improvements and changes.
Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?
Ping...
We want to include some shiny desktop features in our release media for Fedora 14, but we need the Desktop SIG's help to point people to what's coming.
We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 16:56 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:42:52AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html
The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant improvements and changes.
Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?
Ping...
We want to include some shiny desktop features in our release media for Fedora 14, but we need the Desktop SIG's help to point people to what's coming.
We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?
As discussed on this very list, it'll be 2.32. Don't expect big changes though, most were mooted for a 3.0 release, and we've only seen the first few 2.32 pre-releases, most of which were branched from 2.30 bug fix branches.
Not great for features...
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?
What about reviewing talking points and features from older releases and determine if something got improved lately?
Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
just my 0.02
G.
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 17:25 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?
What about reviewing talking points and features from older releases and determine if something got improved lately?
Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
Totem will have YouTube webM support, though we need to do a bit of work there still.
I think it's best to wait until GNOME 2.31.6 settles down before working on the features list.
Cheers
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:58 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 17:25 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
Totem will have YouTube webM support, though we need to do a bit of work there still.
Note that webkitgtk based browsers also support WebM (since webkitgtk-1.2.0), although none of them is installed in Desktop spin (maybe midori is in xfce spin, but not sure about that).
Also to answer the original question about new firefox -- there were a longish flamy thread in -devel asking about this and it seems F14 won't have firefox with WebM support.
I think it's best to wait until GNOME 2.31.6 settles down before working on the features list.
I saw some nice features at live.gnome.org at various project pages targeting 2.32 (like evolution express mode improvements, IMAP multiple connections, pdf multimedia in evince, ...) but I'm not sure which of those will actually be implemented... As you say, it's probably best to wait till 2.31.6 settles down...
Regards, Martin
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com wrote:
Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch, hybrid graphic support
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gianluca Sforna giallu@gmail.com wrote:
Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog
Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash?
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
hybrid graphic support
Doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast; the X guys haven't even fixed my hybrid laptop so that *either* of its two adapters work, yet, let alone made them both work together.
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream.
- ajax
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:50 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream.
'Before it was baked upstream' is rather different from 'a completely different and incompatible implementation from the one upstream is already working on. Hosted in launchpad.' though.
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:50 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream.
'Before it was baked upstream' is rather different from 'a completely different and incompatible implementation from the one upstream is already working on. Hosted in launchpad.' though.
Seems like I spoke too soon (me? never!) - now I look at xorg-devel archives, they seem to be handling this one rather decently. Ain't that nice.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:42:21PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:50 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,
I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not taking GTK+ 3).
So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream.
'Before it was baked upstream' is rather different from 'a completely different and incompatible implementation from the one upstream is already working on. Hosted in launchpad.' though.
Seems like I spoke too soon (me? never!) - now I look at xorg-devel archives, they seem to be handling this one rather decently. Ain't that nice.
Indeed, to wit: http://identi.ca/notice/46450555
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps.
From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are
working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable.
I completely see your point and that's one reason why I'm sticking around here. The only problem is that we have an hard time (or at least, that's my experience trying to spread the word about Fedora) telling people we actually do many of the pieces everyone then find in their favourite distro. And that's true even when we ship stuff 6 months or more before anyone else. Now that they have this feature in 10.10 I'm afraid any better implementation will be seen as a refinement of their breakthrough work.
Of course I'll do my part to spread the love... you know, tribe loses, love wins.
Cheers
G.
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011. Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?
Ok one more thing, admittedly not earth shattering, I just found out and probably worth to make sure we include in F14.
Evince annotations to PDFs are (finally) coming:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168304 http://carlosgc.linups.org/gnome/evince-annotations.html
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