Another alternative (Hi I am new here) is set the
installer for default
to logo on startup and login screens. If the Admin is insistent to lock
the system down for his/her company or org's use then at root desktop
include a mod to the display settings so the administrator can have the
choice of logo show / not show when running the mass-install.
both of these suggestions have been done before....the mod I first saw
in a Free BSD KDE desktop environment, and simple user configs allowed
during installation in Grub.
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1. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
2. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
3. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Allan Day)
4. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Allan Day)
5. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Ryan Lerch)
6. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
7. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Debarshi Ray)
8. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
9. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
10. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Ryan Lerch)
11. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
12. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
13. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
14. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
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Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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On Tue 19 Mar 2013 07:28:27 AM EDT, Allan Day wrote:
> A bit of background:
>
> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen: it's
> a
> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
> user list). Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
> are
> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it,
> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts
> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
> list). Third and finally, having the logo in its previous position
> limited the size to which the user list could grow when there are a
> large number of users.
>
> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
> great.
> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
> these dimensions.
>
> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
> top-left
> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of including
> a
> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor. However,
> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
> this
> proposal.
>
> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that this
> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos onto
> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote positive
> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my opinion,
> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be. If you
> diminish the user experience through the addition of a logo, then
> you
> actually harm the brand: you make the product worse, and in the
> process you make it less likely that people will think good things
> about your brand.
I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
realize
there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
even
know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
identify the type of system they are using.
You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
~m
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Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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On Tue 19 Mar 2013 08:34:02 AM EDT, M=C3=A1ir=C3=ADn Duffy wrote:
> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 07:28:27 AM EDT, Allan Day wrote:
>> A bit of background:
>>
>> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
>> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen:
>> it's a
>> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
>> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
>> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
>> user list). Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
>> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
>> are
>> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
>> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
>> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to
>> it,
>> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the
>> parts
>> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
>> list). Third and finally, having the logo in its previous position
>> limited the size to which the user list could grow when there are a
>> large number of users.
>>
>> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
>> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
>> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
>> great.
>> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
>> these dimensions.
>>
>> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
>> top-left
>> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of
>> including a
>> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor.
>> However,
>> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
>> this
>> proposal.
>>
>> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
>> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that
>> this
>> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos
>> onto
>> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote
>> positive
>> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my
>> opinion,
>> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be. If
>> you
>> diminish the user experience through the addition of a logo, then
>> you
>> actually harm the brand: you make the product worse, and in the
>> process you make it less likely that people will think good things
>> about your brand.
>
> I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
> unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
> realize
> there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
> even
> know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
> identify the type of system they are using.
>
> You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
> logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
http://macservicesact.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/New-Mac-OS-X-Lion=
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I've never seen this screen before, and I am dismayingly stricken
by=20
the similarly except for the fact that Apple has given their logo
an=20
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dialog.
~m
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M=E1ir=EDn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
> unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
> realize
> there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
> even
> know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
> identify the type of system they are using.
>
> You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
> logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
I was trying to explain my position and my concerns. I'm happy to
explore the options. However, I would be much more comfortable doing
that in an upstream setting.
Allan
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M=E1ir=EDn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>
http://macservicesact.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/New-Mac-OS-X-Lion=
-Login-Screen.jpg
>
> I've never seen this screen before, and I am dismayingly stricken by
> the similarly except for the fact that Apple has given their logo an
> approximately 50 x 50 px presence centered above the user login
> dialog.
Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. ;)
One thing that is noticeable about this design is that they have made
the logo less visually prominent by giving it an embossed appearance.
Given the concern to reduce the attention grabbing nature of the
logo,
this certainly has merit.
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Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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On 03/19/2013 07:28 AM, Allan Day wrote:
> MáirÃn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Mon 18 Mar 2013 05:54:42 PM EDT, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
>>> I am not a programmer, but, that said, why can't you put a decent
>>> sized fedora logo above the users section. If the number of users
>>> exceeds a certain number, then create a window with a slider bar
>>> on
>>> the right. This just does not seem like rocket science. :-)
>> Isn't GNOME shell primarily designed as a single-user experience?
> I think it's a good idea to special case the single user case. We
> still want to provide a good multi-user experience though.
>
>> How
>> frequently are we expecting there to be a case where there are
>> enough
>> users in the list for a logo placed as suggested by Ray in comment
>> 13
>> (
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694912#c13)
> Even if it is a corner case, it's something we should handle, I
> think.
>
>> I see a 'solution' looking for a problem here. The problem isn't
>> the
>> Fedora logo looks bad when given exactly 9 pixels of vertical space
>> (what logo would?) The problem is... I'm really not sure what. Can
>> you
>> help me understand? I see this multi-monitor use related bug has
>> been
>> cited:
>>
>>
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685852
>>
>> It says "The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the
>> list. This visually
>> clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen. It would
>> be
>> better to
>> place the logo in the top-left hand corner of the screen, in the
>> top
>> bar. "
>>
>> There is no screenshot, so I am unsure of how it 'visually clashes'
>> with the rest of the login screen, and I'm not sure what it has to
>> do
>> with multi-monitor, if anything. A GNOME wiki link is provided,
>> which I
>> clicked on (
https://live.gnome.org/Boston2012/Multimonitor) and
>> found
>> the exact same text:
>>
>> "The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the list.
>> This
>> visually clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen.
>> It
>> would be better to place the logo in the top-left hand corner of
>> the
>> screen, in the top bar. #685852"
>>
>> Please help me understand what exactly the problem is here?
> A bit of background:
>
> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen: it's
> a
> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
> user list).
I agree with this. The alignment of the usernames to the left while
the
full logo (with both logo and logotype) was centre aligned did not
really work.
However were any other alignment / layout options considered here? if
we
reduced the design to just the logo, you lose some of the
interference
between the anchor points of the logo and the userlist layout:
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/justthelogo.png
Or could the usernames be presented in a out horizontal layout?
(although, this one makes the login screen very close to the OSX
designs)
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/horizontal.png
> Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
> are
> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it,
> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts
> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
> list).
Were any tests done to prove the hypothesis that the placement of the
old fedora logo was distracting users from the interactive parts of
the
screen? If that was the issue that was trying to be solved, was any
thought given to putting the logo towards the bottom of the screen?
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/logobottom.png
>
> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
> great.
> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
> these dimensions.
>
> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
> top-left
> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of including
> a
> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor. However,
> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
> this
> proposal.
>
> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that this
> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos onto
> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote positive
> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my opinion,
> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be.
True, you want to promote positive associations with a brand. And if
the
logo is too prominent, or there are too many logos, you end up
diluting
the brand. If all text is bold, nothing stands out.
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/logotoomany.png
However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
promoting
positive associations with a generic grey background.
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
include
a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start using
the system.
regards,
ryanlerch
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On 03/19/2013 08:46 AM, Allan Day wrote:
> I was trying to explain my position and my concerns. I'm happy to
> explore the options. However, I would be much more comfortable doing
> that in an upstream setting.
Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
community? I
am not a member of the GNOME community anymore. We are both members
of
the Fedora community.
~m
> Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
> community?
Fedora is not the only consumer of GNOME.
> am not a member of the GNOME community anymore.
What does that mean? You are even listed at
http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/
Cheers,
Debarshi
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On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:02 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
> promoting
> positive associations with a generic grey background.
>
>
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
>
> I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
> include
> a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start
> using
> the system.
Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place to
promote any kind of positive brand association? All I usually want to
do
from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my work
—
makes sense to me.
Cosimo
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On 03/19/2013 10:25 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>> Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
>> community?
>
> Fedora is not the only consumer of GNOME.
It's a pretty important one, don't you think?
>
>> am not a member of the GNOME community anymore.
>
> What does that mean? You are even listed at
>
http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/
I delisted my blog from planet gnome well over a year ago and
withdrew
my foundation membership - I should *not* be on that list.
Either way, my point is let's not spend a week talking about how we
need
to talk about this and instead talk about it on neutral ground
everyone
is comfortable with.
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Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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On 03/19/2013 10:25 AM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:02 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
>> However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
>> promoting
>> positive associations with a generic grey background.
>>
>>
http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
>>
>> I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
>> include
>> a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start
>> using
>> the system.
> Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place
> to
> promote any kind of positive brand association?
This is the entry point to the Fedora user experience. Having the
logo
on the sign in screen is conceptually similar to having a sign on the
door.
> All I usually want to do
> from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
> possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
> focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my work
> —
> makes sense to me.
>
> Cosimo
From a usability perspective, I fail to see how a subtle logo here
makes it harder to use. Having some user testing the hypothesis that
a
logo reduces productivity of the login screen would be a good place
to
start before removing whole elements.
Finally, a question. If we don't have the sign the doorway to Fedora,
then where should the name of the brand be presented? I think it
would
be a step backwards to have the OS brand mark polluting the main
interface of the desktop that a user stares at for 8 hours a day.
regards,
ryanlerch
>
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On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 10:59 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
> > Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place
> to
> > promote any kind of positive brand association?
>
> This is the entry point to the Fedora user experience. Having the
> logo
> on the sign in screen is conceptually similar to having a sign on
> the door.
If you want to follow this analogy, it would be more as if the door
of
my house had a permanent logo/sign of the realtor agency I bought it
from...
> > All I usually want to do
> > from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
> > possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
> > focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my
> work —
> > makes sense to me.
> >
> > Cosimo
>
> From a usability perspective, I fail to see how a subtle logo here
> makes it harder to use. Having some user testing the hypothesis that
> a
> logo reduces productivity of the login screen would be a good place
> to
> start before removing whole elements.
I didn't say it makes it *harder* to use. To my taste, it just feels
redundant/distracting and maybe a bit cheesy though.
> Finally, a question. If we don't have the sign the doorway to
> Fedora,
> then where should the name of the brand be presented? I think it
> would
> be a step backwards to have the OS brand mark polluting the main
> interface of the desktop that a user stares at for 8 hours a day.
Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge step
backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
user
knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
Who is supposed to look at that doorway and from where? In other
words,
I don't think I can have an answer to that question unless it's very
clear who's the intended target of that branding.
Cheers,
Cosimo
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On Tue 19 Mar 2013 12:22:51 PM EDT, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge
> step
> backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
> opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
> user
> knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
Let's be fair - in a multi-situation, it is necessarily that only one
of the users involved installed the system. In a computer lab
situation
or in an employee preload situation (maybe the latter wouldn't be
Fedora, but RHEL) the users did not install it themselves.
~m
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On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:26 -0400, MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 12:22:51 PM EDT, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> > Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge
> step
> > backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
> > opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
> user
> > knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
>
> Let's be fair - in a multi-situation, it is necessarily that only
> one
> of the users involved installed the system. In a computer lab
> situation
> or in an employee preload situation (maybe the latter wouldn't be
> Fedora, but RHEL) the users did not install it themselves.
That's true. But in a preloaded/locked-down situation where the user
doesn't have full, or any, control on the software installed on the
machine the requirements might be different:
- the logo would likely not be the stock distributor's one, but one
identifying the organization providing that leased/temporary service
to
the user. I can think of a number of reasons related to
billing/support/accountability as of why this makes a lot more sense
than in the "personal use" case.
- it's still unclear to me the benefit to the user and/or the
distributor in showing a logo in that scenario. For example, if the
machine has a corporate lockdown, that fact alone might discourage
users
trying to install the same OS on another personal machine. This is in
my
opinion related to the question I was asking in the second part of my
above previous message.
Cheers,
Cosimo
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On 03/19/2013 01:09 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
> - the logo would likely not be the stock distributor's one, but one
> identifying the organization providing that leased/temporary service
> to
> the user. I can think of a number of reasons related to
> billing/support/accountability as of why this makes a lot more sense
> than in the "personal use" case.
At least with RHEL, IANAL but I'm not quite sure legally it's okay to
strip all RH logos from the distribution without additional burdens
such
as compliance with the GPL in making the source available and other
requirements under Red Hat Trademark guidelines and potential impact
to
your support contract, see
http://www.redhat.com/about/mediarelations/trademark.html
> - it's still unclear to me the benefit to the user and/or the
> distributor in showing a logo in that scenario. For example, if the
> machine has a corporate lockdown, that fact alone might discourage
> users
> trying to install the same OS on another personal machine. This is
> in my
> opinion related to the question I was asking in the second part of
> my
> above previous message.
I'm not really sure it's a major concern that users would feel
discouraged to install Fedora or RHEL on their home machine because
they
experienced it on a corporate install as locked down - RHEL is not
meant
for use on home machines, and it's questionable whether or not an
organization (I am assuming campus / nonprofit) that preloaded
*Fedora*
as a desktop would lock it down as much as in a more corporate
situation
since these type of organizations typically have less resources and
more
flexible policies around computing. This seems a very weak argument
to
me, and certainly the 'solution' of hiding the identity of the OS is
an
odd way to solve this 'problem.'
~m
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