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On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 10:14:57AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> In which case the problem is that we don't consult with designers, or work
> on
> that branding work upstream. Case in point, our changes to the Details
> panel
> in Settings aren't upstream, nobody tested the performance impact of the
> logo
> watermark in gnome-shell.
I'm consuluting with designers.
I don't think the designers really got consulted for that particular feature,
given that the developers barely had time to get this feature in at your behest.
I do agree that we should test the impact of any changes, for
performance (if any affect), but also for overall UX and
identifiablity.
Work which can only be done holistically upstream.
> It also seems bizarre to me that we would push that branding on
Fedora
> Workstation, but not in other variants with a Fedora branded motd before
> login
> on the server variant for example.
Have you looked, here? Of course Fedora Server identifies itself at the
login prompt. And the Cockpit GUI uses the Fedora Server logo. I think
there's room for improvements in this too, but the basics are there.
1 mention in GRUB, 1 mention in the login screen. In contrast, Workstation
has 1 mention in GRUB, 1 in the splash screen, 1 in the login screen, 1 in
the desktop wallpaper, 1 in the Details panel, 1 in Software when upgrades
are available.
> Do we *actually* have a problem with Fedora being identified as
such?
> In which sort of deployment do we have that problem?
It is important to increase Fedora brand reach and recognition. A
strong visual identity is an important part of this. If you want to
phrase it in terms of a "problem", every place where there is a Fedora
deployment and it is not easily recognized as Fedora, we have that
problem.
Being able to recognise Fedora from a screenshot of a maximised application
on a GNOME 3 desktop would go counter to what we've been trying to achieve
with GNOME 3.
> We already have branding in GRUB, in plymouth, in gdm, in the
default
> wallpaper,
> in the Details panel. I'd rather we sent our stickers for laptop covers,
> and
> Windows keys, and toned down the branding on other parts of the OS, as well
> as
> investigated other possible branding (changing the default hostname, and
> .local
> name seem like no-brainer with no performance impact, and greater reach).
Although it's not nothing, branding which is only shown briefly at boot
and when not logged in does not contribute strongly to the visual
identity.
Then you agree with Stephen and I that we should drop the Fedora plymouth
branding. Great, I filed a bug about that:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392836
Branding in the "details" panel, though, is arguably
*worse* than nothing, as it sends the signal that Fedora is merely
that, a "detail".
Huh? This is where information about the system is.
And I think we already agreed that nobody likes the
wallpaper overlay.
Great, let's get rid of that too then.
I'm all for investigating possibilities, especially ones which
have no
performance impact and reach. We should do everything we can, and we
certainly *do* provides stickers and other Fedora swag. We need to work
on the contrbutions of the desktop visual appearance to our brand
identity as well.
I think that being the best GNOME Workstation distributor would go a long
way towards making Fedora the de facto choice for GNOME use, and that would
likely be more effective than slapping non-upstream logos in places.