Michael, Question for you and the mailing list at large. What about non graphical applications?

The one in particular that comes to mind is thermald-- Intel's thermal daemon for ensuring Intel CPU's laptops and tablets do not overheat and stay within usual temperature ranges. Its a relatively small package, and while this is anecdotal evidence, it seemed to keep my laptop a few degrees coolers during compiles. Minor addition for a better user experience (cooler laps). I've got a spec file for it laying around that use privately, though I know there's a copr that hosts it as well.

Going back to your original question. Why will the evolution not happen? Lack of willpower (no one wants to / Evolution is a mess) or lack of manpower (Other things are more important)? I don't use Evolution personally so I don't care, it just stood out to me in your original mail.

As far as Firefox / Epiphany.. I vote Firefox only because, like LibreOffice, it's a bit of a jewel of open source software. But, if Epiphany were to be made the default, is the team sufficiently strong and active enough to respond to security issues in a timely manner? If Workstation were to push a default I would hope that it would be well supported.

Cheers!
--Ericg--

On Aug 28, 2015 15:08, "Michael Catanzaro" <mcatanzaro@gnome.org> wrote:
From the latest revision of our PRD [1]:

"Fedora Workstation follows the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. These
guidelines are mandatory for applications installed by default."

Currently we have applications that clearly do not follow these
guidelines. Unless we plan to revisit this section of the PRD, we
should remove them, or set a deadline for them to be improved.

* Devassistant. Needs an app menu, plus a serious sit-down with the
GNOME designers. We want to make it easy to develop apps for Fedora,
but not at the cost of leaving a bad quality impression.

* Evolution: Needs a major redesign that is not going to happen. Geary
is not yet a suitable replacement. Options: (1) Not install any email
client, because most users will use webmail; we can feature Evolution
in GNOME Software. (2) If we want to keep Evolution installed by
default, it's time to require the maintainers to add an app menu.

* Firefox. I see two options here: (1) replace it with Epiphany (FWIW,
I think Epiphany has matured enough recently for this to be reasonable,
but I am biased ;) (2) enable the GNOME extensions, mandate that they
be updated in tandem with updates to Firefox in Fedora, and patch in an
application menu. The extensions are good, and Mozilla is a reasonable
upstream we can work with to get permission for this. The status quo
should not be an option.

* setroubleshoot. This app is completely hopeless. SELinux issues are
sufficiently rare nowadays that we simply do not need this anymore,
although it would be ideal for ABRT to detect the issues and handle bug
reports.

* Shotwell. Eventually we can replace it with GNOME Photos, but in the
meantime, users can just install a photo management app if they want
one. Also, I suspect Shotwell sends your password to Facebook without
verifying its TLS certificate....

* Transmission. Its only significant legal use is to download our
competitor's products (Linux ISOs), hardly something we need to
encourage. It's featured in GNOME Software already.

Thoughts?

Michael

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