On Feb 11, 2014 12:25 PM, "Matthias Clasen" <mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 16:43 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
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> > On 02/11/2014 02:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > > Unless Red Hat desktop team is interested in shifting some of its focus to
> > > Fedora itself. From what Christian says, I think that actually *is* the case
> > > -- if Gnome is chosen as the Fedora Workstation desktop, that means more
> > > people given time to work on that specifically. Right?
> >
> > Under no circumstance should we be doing that since we pride ourselves
> > of working with/for upstream and thus as an distribution we represent
> > "upstreaming" to extent in the linux ecosystem.
> >
> > Here is a fallout [1] in Gnome for Red Hat/Fedora developers first and
> > foremost for not doing that.
>
> Are you saying that we should give up on Fedora and instead just work on
> upstream GNOME ? Even more than we already are ? Thats the road for
> Fedora to become even more irrelevant, not less.
>
> I'm sorry, but I increasingly cannot make any sense of your
> contributions in this discussion.
>
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http://people.csail.mit.edu/msbernst/papers/taskpose-uist08.pdf

Maybe the perceived target audience of GNOME and Fedora has diverged? If so, and that divergence can't be reconciled, what would you suggest?
In case you don't recognize the above document, it is a referenced link in the GNOME Shell Design document and, to me, illustrates the GNOME Shell's movement away from its original aims (that "...technology should act as a mediator" and "... efficient interface for advanced users...").
Maybe a renewed effort sparked by this reorganization of Fedora will help GNOME better achieve its goals if they have, indeed, wandered somewhat. 
In any case, some sort of evaluation of GNOME and how its goals stand in relationship to an intended audience of developers might be to the good. For instance, how many of you, when working, primarily use the maximized window? Is side-by-side tiling enough? More robust terminal handling has already been said to be something that needs to be improved but isn't that really an issue of window management?