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hi
This message makes a lot of sense. While I wouldn't count myself a
power user, I do like to change some settings but I can adapt to
nearly any interface, other than windows 8. Extensions really should
be handled more securely other than a firefox extension. Perhaps
integration with polkit, either ask the user for authorization before
allowing an installation or take the gnome software approach and
simply handle the installation in the background. Either way, I really
feel extensions, as a primary selling point of gnome, deserves prime
placement in the control center. And for those of us who don't use
firefox, we cannot install extensions at all, unless the
chromium/chrome extension was fixed. I don't use chrome, but there it is
.
Just my opinion
Thanks
Kendell clark
Sent from Fedora GNU/Linux
Adam Batkin wrote:
On 05/11/2015 10:00 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I agree that Tweak Tool doesn't need to be included by default.
> It's dead simple to install with the gnome-software search
> provider, and it's home to the settings that we *don't* want to
> be offered to users. Anything we expect users to change belongs
> in gnome-control-center.
Wait, what? Why don't you want those settings to be offered? Put in
an Advanced button and throw them in there. That should make
everyone happy. Seriously.
Look, we all know that Apple popularized the "minimalist" idea for
user interfaces. And their UIs are considered by most to be both
visually appealing and elegant, which in turn leads them to be
"learnable" (notice I didn't use the term "usable"[1] since many
power users *don't* consider the Mac to be "usable" - at least not
without some heavy customization, including a hefty assortment of
third-party tools). And the truth is that the Mac's UI is "good
enough" for most. Plenty of my power-user friends don't even notice
that Command+Tab is LRU to switch between apps, but Command+` is
cyclical to switch between windows within an app (and it's
maddening that the latter works that way, as well as the fact that
everyone fumbles around not even noticing that it works that way
(of course they may not even bother and use the mouse/trackpad
and/or Expose))
Hypotheses: * A large proportion traditional Linux-on-the-Desktop
users are "power users" * Somewhere on the order of 100% of the
Fedora-on-the-Desktop users who will be "spreading the word" about
Fedora are "power users" or higher * Power users appreciate the
ability to (often heavily) customize their computing experience -
not just because "they can", but because they heavily optimize
their systems for their usage models so they can operate most
efficiently. We are hackers * "Learnability" is important, but so
is "usability". "Power users" are willing to put up with *some*
inconvenience (like additional configuration options in a list, a
button marked "Advanced", etc...) which may negatively affect
minimalist ideals, in exchange for increased customizability
I'm not saying that we should have to drop to a shell to get
anything done. But I'm saying that the well-manicured,
super-integrated Gnome UIs could use a few extra tweaks and options
to make "power users" happy. And let's face it, most people on this
list would consider themselves a "power user" in one form or
another and we're the ones going out and advocating for Linux and
Fedora.
> * Shell extensions: As long as we're going to offer them, we
> shouldn't relegate them to Tweak Tool. Perhaps gnome-software
> would be a better location than gnome-control-center, but either
> would be better than Tweak Tool. (But the gnome-shell browser
> plugin is very crashy at worst and unreliable at best, so we
> should fix that first.)
Indeed. When I first used Gnome 3, I had trouble finding where to
install, uninstall and manage extensions. Then I had trouble
believing that the only built-in way to do it was through a Firefox
browser extension. While "innovative", the current model is
counter-intuitive at best and dangerous at worst (really? are there
not enough security holes in our web browsers and websites that we
need to force the primary/only installation method for system-level
software to use that combination?)
[1]
https://rickosborne.org/blog/2007/04/usability-vs-discoverability/
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