On May 5, 2015 10:35 AM, "Michael Catanzaro" <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org>
wrote:
I've had the opposite experience. I've never figured out how to
multiboot after installing Fedora with LVM, since other distros'
installers just can't handle it, nor do any standard partition
management tools.
Can you give me some examples of other distro installers and layouts they
couldn't handle? Just for my own edification, I have a WIP multiboot guide.
I've no doubt LVM is great if you're familiar with
how it works, but I have no intention of taking the time to figure out
the different command line tools, nor do I plan to install another
disk management application when we already have one part of our core
OS.
On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:45 -0600, Pete Travis wrote:
> I'm not sure who benefits from removing it, aside from folks that
> decide to only use gnome-disks for filesystem and partition
> management. This multiboot crowd is your mindshare generator, try
> to make it easy for them.
Um, I think we should indeed assume that folks use only GNOME Disks
for filesystem and partition management... if we aren't prepared to
make that assumption, we shouldn't be installing it by default.
The other common tool is gparted, which can't handle LVM either. I
think I tried KDE's partition manager once and it had similar
problems, but don't remember for sure.
I think it's important for LVM to be an option in the installer, for
users who find it useful. But I see a very compelling case to use
standard partitions by default when disk encryption is not selected.
(On the other hand, we really ought to have full disk encryption by
default....)
Michael
--
My sense is that there would be less *need* for partition and filesystem
management tools with LVM, but to be fair, I'm the guy that suspects that
90% of the people using gparted do so because "I like /home to be on
/dev/sda3" or some other arbitrary personal preference.
I can *definitely* say I've encountered a bunch of situations where the
user had an MBR drive with valuable data on the fourth partition.
Anaconda won't (wouldn't?) create an extended partition anywhere else, so
they have room for one, maybe two partitions. They *want* boot, root,
swap, home, maybe more. The installer doesn't really explain the inherent
restrictions in this situation, and arguably should not. With LVM, this
layout is probably fine; without, you are going to need partitioning tools
and expertise to even start the installation. The complex layer of storage
abstraction is actually exposing less complexity to the user, in this
case.
+1 for encryption by default, although I'll defer to others on the ideal
implementation. That change would be marketable and valuable to end users,
looking forward to the F23 Change proposal for it.
--Pete