On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Matthew Garrett <mjg59(a)srcf.ucam.org> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 05:23:28PM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:18:07PM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > Hi Matthew,
> > Because they are not primarily developing desktop applications? Or are
developing cross platform applications?
> So who's going to write the normal desktop applications for our
To expand on this - Fedora is the only significant distribution to use
the full GNOME stack for our desktop apps. If we don't seek to target
average desktop users then there's no incentive for developers to target
the GNOME stack, which means there's no new and interesting desktop apps
which means there's no incentive for average desktop users to run
Fedora. Saying that we won't actively discourage average desktop users
from running Fedora is a copout - the inevitable consequence is that
average desktop users will stop running Fedora because there's nothing
for them to use there.
I think you're conflating what upstream does and what Fedora does.
Fedora is a distribution that packages the applications that other
upstreams work on. I don't think a Fedora PRD is going to either
magically make more upstreams produce more interesting applications
nor do I think they'll stop making them. Workstation can and should
include the interesting desktop apps you're referring to, but Fedora
the project has never been the one to create those.
Ignoring non-developers does nothing to advance Freedom. It's
I think there is middle ground between "ignore" and "focus on".
You're painting a picture that seems to have Workstation as simply a
random collection of APIs and the usability is left to the users. I
don't think that will be the case at all. At least not any more so
than today's Fedora.
shrink our community, so it's not clear that it's doing
Friends. I'd argue that any PRD should be fundamentally based on the
four foundations, and I'd like to see a strong justification for how
Workstation is doing so.
You're approaching hyperbole here. Workstation is working through
things and you're demanding justifications for decisions that aren't
even made. I would rather you make suggestions for the proper focus
and approach for Workstation. That will be more helpful.