On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Michael Catanzaro <mike.catanzaro@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Wow, nice list! Thanks for putting this together. A few comments/complaints from me:

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com> wrote:

LOCALIZATION
Users don't get a fully localized system after installing Fedora. Many
languages don't have all l10n packages on the installation ISO and
users have to run 'sudo dnf install langpacks-*' manually to install
missing packages, but most users don't have a clue about this and just
think that the missing localization is not in Fedora at all. Mainly
LibreOffice suffers from this not being localized at all. This is a
long known problem and we should really fix it and install the missing
packages automatically either during installation or in the initial
experience.

All supported languages need to be on the installation ISO, even if it makes the ISO twice as large. Non-English locales like Czech should not be second-class citizens in Fedora. We should fix this. A larger ISO would be unfortunate for users stuck on metered connections, but this is something you only have to download once.

Do we have Install ISO for Workstation product? AFAIK langpacks are not included on Live ISO because of some size limitation. I will again say that I tried to convince dnf developers to add re-resolve transaction functionality in dnf but they did not accept this request few releases ago and we concluded on weakdeps approach. If dnf developers would have given similar API functionality of re-resolving transaction like we have in yum then it was very easy switch from yum langpacks to dnf langpacks plugin and translation packages would have been added into the initial transaction using anaconda langpacks plugin. Another thing since we moved to edition/product Live releases (from f21) we stopped the install iso and thus we lost the way to trigger extra (langpacks) package installation during anaconda installation. I am considering the case here that end user will not be having any internet connection at all.

 

There have been a couple of other complaints about locatization,
everything language specific. But localization seems to be very
important to users and they're very sensitive to untranslated pieces of
UI, especially if it's what's perceived as part of the system, it makes
the system look amateurish.

On the other hand, it's not our job to provide a good translation into every language for every app. Hopefully the Czech-speaking community can step up to help the Fedora and GNOME translation project. I know that GNOME at least has a very active Czech translator, Marek; he would probably like to hear specific feedback.


 If Fedora trans people can help then good to discuss this on trans list.

Regards,
Parag