On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 22:42 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 25.11.13 09:23, Adam Williamson (awilliam(a)redhat.com) wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 13:59 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
> > Hi everyone,
> > First of all apologize for this taking so long, I ended up traveling
> > non-stop for some time visiting some of Red Hats desktop customers.
> > While not directly tied to the work of this working group I do hope to
> > take some of the lessons learned from those meetings with me into the
> > future work of the working group.
> > Anyway I tried editing the PRD a bit based on the feedback we got on the
> > first draft. I tried to make a few items a bit clearer and also to
> > include spelling fixes contributed and so on.
> > We probably want to do another WG meeting soon to discuss next steps.
> > Feel free to let me know if I forgot to include some important feedback
> > or if further clarifications are needed.
> "Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should
> give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora
> Based on my experience (>10 years of it, with multiple distributions and
> OSes), this is an incredibly ambitious goal. It may in fact be entirely
> unachievable as written. I'm not aware of a single operating system in
> existence which actually achieves this. Even cellphone manufacturers -
> who have a very clearly-defined single piece of hardware to deal with,
> and a much smaller set of software and use cases to worry about than we
> have - don't achieve this. I'm really not sure it should be front and
> centre in a foundational document without some really convincing
> evidence that it's even vaguely achievable.
Oh, you can certainly achieve this. You just need to depart from the
holy grail of RPM upgrading and updated the OS as one image, and detach
the apps from the OS instead of considering them part of the OS.
It must be lots of fun to live in a world where there are Apps and there
is an OS and a nice simple line we can draw and ne'er the twain shall
meet, but I don't think Fedora is ever going to be such a world, and
even if it was, I'm not sure it achieves the objective stated in the
text. You still have to deal with configuration updates, for instance.
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