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hi
This makes sense. I agree with wayland's approach. Unfortunately, this
has the side effect of rendering orca useless until this can be fixed,
which imo needs to be done yesterday. I'm not trying to be demanding,
but this does need fixing, else blind users won't have access to
linux's graphical sessions.
Thanks
Kendell clark
Sent from Fedora GNU/Linux
Pete Travis wrote:
On Mar 22, 2015 6:53 PM, "kendell clark"
<coffeekingms(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
hi all. I'm writing in to let everyone on the desktop list know
that I'm intending to work with anyone here and with the gnome
people to fix all remaining accessibility issues for gnome 3.18.
This currently includes, unlabeled controlls, buttons and links, in
various gnome control center modules. Duplicate controlls in the
power settings module, duplicate buttons in gnome tweak tool. Gdm
is inaccessible to orca. Orca is unable to see the login screen so
cannot navigate it's controlls. This last one is exclusive to gnome
3.16, gnome 3.14 works just fine. I plan to have all these issues
ironed out in time for gnome 3.18 and f23. I will file bugs,
provide logs, anything that is necessary. My plan is that by f23,
there will be 0 (zero) accessibility issues with orca and gnome
shell. I would like to make one possible request, not sure where
this is applicable. Would it be possible, as a temporary measure,
to cause gdm to fall back to using x for it's login screen when
accessibility is enabled? I have no idea how this can be done, but
this would allow orca to again see the screen and navigate it,
until whatever is wrong in wayland can be fixed up stream? If there
are any people who work on gnome itself, would you mind logging on
to #fedora-accessibility, or I can log on to #a11y on gnome's
server to discuss issues? I don't want to flood the list with
accessibility traphic. Thanks Kendell clark Sent from Fedora
GNU/Linux
> --
I'll throw out my vague understanding, in the hope that someone
will validate or knock it down:
A big driver for moving to Wayland is the additional security
context provided; one application, by design, cannot access another
application through the interface to the display server. I *think*
that orca works *because* it is able to access other applications
through Xorg. So, based on this very basic understanding, I would
expect that Orca would not work as-is on Wayland, and maybe would
need a fundamental redesign to follow the migration away from X.
GDM on F22 is a Wayland session by default, so it is isolated from
other processes ie Orca.
--Pete --Pete
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