Debian and other distributions (Trisquel, gNewSense, GuixSD) have used
unbranded forks of Firefox for years and I don't think this has been a
problem for them. In any case I don't think we can call "drastic"
something that multiple other distributions do.
The Debian and GNU projects consider Mozilla Firefox as proprietary
software because it does not meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines
or GNU's definition of free software. Fedora didn't follow that stance.
I don't think whether we're using a fork or not is important. It'll be
just as up-to-date, just as well supported by websites, and would work
like Firefox so habbit would not be a problem. The Firefox name and
branding is a problem for Fedora (it prevents us from modifying the
browser), not a benefit.
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 14:00 +0100, Kalev Lember wrote:
On 01/10/2016 11:29 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 14:26 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
there is currently a case against Firefox discussed in FESCo:
We have many different opinions in this thread. Clearly, there is
solution that will make everyone happy. I tried to formulate a
consensus position based on the comments in this thread, which I
suspect the majority of us can support:
"Fedora Workstation prefers to ship the latest release of Firefox,
ESR releases. Shipping an unbranded version of Firefox is
us, but not ideal. Shipping a version of Firefox that blocks
extensions is also acceptable to us, but not ideal."
In other words: we're fine with FESCo deciding for either unbranded
locked-down Firefox, but we won't be very happy either way. Does
My personal take on this is that we need to ship with a mainstream
browser that is actively developed and that web sites support. These
days, I think it's a choice between either Firefox or Chrome.
We don't have Chrome in Fedora so this leaves Firefox.
Also, shipping a browser with a widely recognizable name (Firefox) as
opposed to shipping a minor fork (Icecat) has a huge benefit when it
comes to people finding the web browser -- they will have used the
browser on other operating systems, making switching to Fedora
Habit plays a huge role. Take a familiar name away and it's suddenly
much harder for us to compete.
I think it would be fine to ask Firefox upstream to support
trust chains to support locally packaged extensions, but if that
don't think we should go with anything as drastic as switching to an
unbranded Firefox fork.