On Aug 16, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2014-06-29 at 11:15 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>  Summary of Fedora bootloading bugs:
> BIOS, preexisting Windows: reliably has a working boot entry created.
> For other combinations all bets are off:
> BIOS or UEFI, preexisting Linux using LVM: boot entries not created
> because preexisting OS's LV's aren't activated by the installer, so
> os-prober/grub2-mkconfig don't find the preexisting OS. Two year old
> bug, finger pointing, no agreement on who should fix it.
> UEFI, preexisting Windows:, boot entry either not created for Windows
> or it doesn't work.
## Year old bug.
## This bug was
> rejected as an F20 blocker on the basis that the release criteria for
> Windows only applies to BIOS.
> UEFI, preexisting Linux no-LVM: boot entry does not work. This is a
> Fedora GRUB specific bug, over a year old, was rejected for freeze
> exception so it stands to reason it would have been rejected as a
> blocker as well.
> UEFI, preexisting OS X: boot entries don't work, have never worked for
> me in 3+ years. Two 18 month old bugs.
## Kernel panic
> might now be fixed by upstream, but upstream's solution is flaky and
> prone to breakage every time Apple makes a kernel change. Upstream
> insists on using their own bootloader rather than Apple's for unknown
## Described fix by
> adding GRUB xnu modules to grubx64.efi has not been implemented.
> Secondary problem is that there are two superfluous entries that don't
> work due to confusion resulting from Fedora's mactel-boot support
> (os-prober thinks the Fedora boot entries are an OS X installation).
Am I alone in thinking we should block final on all of these? We're
delayed so much already that it seems like it might be best to take care
of these once and for all. Especially if we are going to pretend that
Fedora is a good alternative to Mac; we should not pretend that if we
cannot boot on Macs.
Fedora post-install behavior on Macs:
- GRUB menu appears by default
- Fedora boot entries work
- OS X boot entries don't work ## The two bugs above relate to this.
I don't know the % of Mac users who know about the option-key @ boot chime trick to
get the firmware's boot manager to appear, but that's the work around to boot OS
X. If the user doesn't know this, it's a problem, but the fix is literally
"push this button". Whereas the other bugs above require esoteric knowledge to
fix. And actually, there are bigger Mac problems than this: wireless, bluetooth, trackpad,
and overheating/MCE problems are much worse, maybe deal killers. (At least I can't use
Fedora, or any linux, full time right now. It's just way too frustrating, and may even
be cooking themselves. )
A nonfunctional installer is a really big problem. At the worst, the
installer should be able to detect these situations in advance and warn
I think the other bugs in the list need priority, resources being limited and all. We
should commonbugs the Mac bugs, which have the same push this button solution.