On Mon, Jan 4, 2016, 4:13 PM Richard Turner <rjt@zygous.co.uk> wrote:

On 4 Jan 2016 8:51 p.m., "Liam" <liam.bulkley@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd expect most users wouldn't use GNOME Photos/Music/Contacts/Maps, but without metrics we're only speculating.
> Speaking of, usage stats would be really helpful in making these decisions. Obviously this would all be opt in, but it's better guide than nothing.
>>

For what it's worth, I don't use any of those apps. I do use the boring ones that no one seems interested in maintaining or promoting though, like Evolution and Empathy. Mine genuinely is a "work"  station, where I need email filtering and corporate XMPP and shared calendar support and could hardly care less about video and music codecs, browsing photos or perusing a map.

I think it's a shame that Empathy is in a state of neglect and that there's no decent alternative. For home users it's probably totally unimportant, but IM does still have a place at work. I'll just install it myself if it's not installed by default though.

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Well, as nearly always, these discussions come down to the question of "Who is our audience?"
We have this tension in the prd which, i think, really needs to be resolved: consumers or producers. Given the resources available (which Alex brings up), I think one of those groups needs to be removed from the prd, or a STRONG hierarchical status be provided (my preference would be for removal since I can well imagine the many debates happening over removal/inclusion of certain features/apps/defaults/etc).
My opinion hasn't really changed in this area, and, I think, should be better supported now than ever: a desktop directed at the consumer is a product with a (very)quickly shrinking audience. Additionally, there are legal/ethical hurdles we can't overcome (mostly codecs, but I'm aware of the ongoing efforts towards some possible solution in this area). However, even with that in mind, there are other, practical issues, but I'm not going to go into this any further.
For my part, I don't use evolution (gmail is enough for me), or any of the maps I mentioned. I've basically got three apps open all time ( term, browser, editor). I'd imagine that's a pretty typical combination for the people who actually use Fedora Workstation (modulo email/Skype/etc). 

Best/Liam