On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mairin Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
David Zeuthen wrote:
> So I think this thread shows we need to figure this out; it's pretty
> clear that the status quo where the combined desktop livecd product is
> everyones responsibility (through maintaining their own packages) means
> that it's no-ones responsibility. We have a lot of low-hanging fruit
> just *waiting* to be picked up (the firewall problem is one such) but
> typically such work requires coordination, education and banner carrying
> across multiple areas both inside and outside the desktop live cd space.
I'm wondering if it would be useful to hold a Fedora-specific desktop summit
type of meeting to first come up with the Fedora-specific desktop vision for
the desktop livecd product, then to hash out the projects and their
respective work items needed to achieve the vision (or at least a first
phase of it.) Post-meeting, I think you would need at least one if not more
champions for the whole project (I don't like the term dictator) to keep
things moving forward and to motivate the folks working on tasks in the
We did something like this for the spins site at the last FUDcon and I think
the meeting was really successful in developing a common shared vision for
where we wanted to project to go. I think we came into the room having some
very different ideas, and walked away from the room in agreement of where we
wanted to be. Although that particular project is stalled somewhat because
there aren't many people working on it at the moment, because we have that
shared vision we do know what we have to do (it's just an issue of
Is this situation a simple manpower issue? It seems not and, at least
looking at this thread, there may not even be a shared vision for the
desktop livecd. There appears to be no single vision that is really
documented/written out/demonstrated anywhere public (if there is though,
great!) There seem to be many that perhaps live only in individual posters'
minds. (And when posters write out their visions on this mailing list I find
it hard to even focus on the ideas because of the poor / jarringly hostile
I think maybe some kind of vision document would go a long way towards
moving forward though. What are our shortcomings now => where we should be.
What are the low-hanging fruit you mentioned? Are they listed out or
described anywhere? We need a compelling story to tell. Could the ideal
Fedora desktop user experience be storyboarded out, maybe have a few
storyboards drawn out for scenarios under a few themes, such as security,
content sharing, backup/storage, communication, upgrading, etc.
Anyway this is just an idea, *please* don't flame me. I am posting this in
hope that it might spark some more (hopefully better) ideas for moving
Well I think the first question is what is a desktop and what do we
call them in various environments. My typical environment makes me an
ideal candidate for clean widgets, but not for using avahi for
anything beyond finding corporate approved printers and file-shares.
That isn't what the home user who is looking for another gig of Daily
Show episodes wants.
Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"