Attendees
- Allan
- Chris
- Luigi
- Matthias
- Michael
- Neal
- Nieves
- Tomas
Summary
Meeting attendees managed administrative processes and coordinated Fedora
45 planning alongside user feedback and feature requests.
Administrative and Planning Setup
Participants addressed note-taking responsibilities and clarified access
issues with meeting minutes. The group initiated planning for Fedora 45 by
identifying key feature changes and release requirements.
Feedback and Feature Debates
Members discussed negative user feedback regarding navigation and desktop
functionality. The team evaluated implementation timelines for Flatpak
filtering and potential keyboard shortcuts for system monitoring.
System Configuration and Resolution
A decision was made to avoid downstream schema overrides for the system
monitor shortcut request by deferring to upstream policy. Development plans
were reviewed for Anaconda keyboard configurations.
Next steps
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[Tomáš Popela] Fix Notes: Try figuring out meeting notes access issues.
Attempt recreating the meeting for next week.
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[Tomáš Popela] Revive Calendar: Revive the FA 45 planning calendar.
Bring any identified items onto the agenda.
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[Michael Catanzaro] Send Minutes: Manually send Gemini meeting notes to
Nieves Montero Fernandez after the meeting.
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[Luigi Pavan] Implement Filtering: Start focusing on the implementation
work for Flatpak filtering for Fedora 45.
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[Allan Day] Investigate Logout: Look into the reported complaints
regarding the missing log out button.
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[Allan Day] Comment Shortcut: Comment on the upstream shortcut request
issue.
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[Tomáš Popela] Comment Shortcut: Add a comment to the Fedora shortcut
request issue.
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[Michael Catanzaro] Tackle Keyboard: Tackle the complicated work of
implementing language and keyboard selection before the live desktop loads
(Issue 511). Assign this ticket to himself.
Details
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Secretary Assignment and Meeting Minutes Access Issues: Michael
Catanzaro described their process for selecting the secretary, which
involves cycling through the working group member list and noted that the
previous secretary was Allan. The current secretary was identified as
Nieves Montero Fernandez. There was a significant discussion regarding
difficulties accessing the meeting minutes document, as Tomáš Popela
reported not having access despite creating the calendar event and sending
an access request. Michael Catanzaro indicated the meeting notes are set to
be sent to invited guests in the organization, and Tomáš Popela planned to
attempt recreating the meeting for the following week to resolve this issue.
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Secretary Note-Taking Process and Reliance on AI: Nieves Montero
Fernandez inquired about their role in taking notes, and Tomáš Popela
explained that the Gemini AI tool is taking the notes, but the secretary is
expected to review and correct the notes afterward, especially to fix
incorrectly identified names. Michael Catanzaro offered to manually send
the notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez following the meeting and suggested
trusting the AI for the current week, but acknowledged they might need to
revert to manual notes next week if the process is unsuccessful.
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Reviving the Fedora 45 Planning Calendar and Call for Changes: Tomáš
Popela brought up the need to revive the Workstation planning calendar,
which helps track necessary scheduled items for releases like Fedora (FA)
45, as this task had been neglected. The first item on the calendar for the
day was a call for Workstation changes planned for Fedora 45, intended to
identify big changes or features that should be enabled or re-enabled in
Rawhide for additional testing during the development phase.
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Proposed Feature Changes for Fedora 45: Matthias Clasen mentioned two
specific items for Fedora 45 planning: the agreed-upon change of replacing
Log-Kitting with O7, and retiring `dbus-daemon` and replacing it with
`dbus-broker`. Matthias Clasen also mentioned they hope to have session
saving support fully implemented by the fall, which could be advertised in
the next release. Luigi Pavan raised the topic of Flatpak filtering, which
they noted is currently blocked on changes to the GNOME Software
application's preferences dialog.
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Discussion of Flatpak Filtering Implementation Timeline: Michael
Catanzaro clarified that while Alan Day and Milan are planning to work on
the GNOME Software configuration changes, no one is currently working on
the actual implementation of the Flatpak filter itself. Luigi Pavan
expressed willingness to work on the filter and sought confirmation on an
expected timeline, as they believe the filter implementation could start
before the GNOME Software changes land. Michael Catanzaro confirmed they
can proceed with the implementation now, but politically they must respect
the agreement to ship the filter configuration capability in the same
release as the filter, accepting that the release may be delayed if the
configuration is not ready.
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Negative Feedback on Missing Log Out Button: Matthias Clasen brought up
the negative feedback received around the Fedora 40 release regarding the
disappearance of the Log Out button, which Alan Day was unaware of. Michael
Catanzaro confirmed there have been several complaints, explaining that the
GNOME Shell does not display the Log Out option in the system status menu
if the system has only one human user account and one available desktop
session. Allan Day offered to look into the issue.
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General Desktop Negative Feedback and Micro Stutters: Neal Gompa (Conan
Kudo) noted that there has been more concentrated negative feedback
regarding the disabling of middle-click paste than the Log Out button
issue. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) also highlighted recurrent complaints about
missing application indicator functionality and issues with fractional
scaling, as well as micro stutters in applications like Google Chrome.
Michael Catanzaro suggested the stuttering issue, which affects the entire
desktop, is likely GPU related, and recommended trying Chrome's hidden
config flags to disable GPU usage for debugging.
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Request for System Monitor Keyboard Shortcut: Tomáš Popela introduced a
new business item concerning a request for a keyboard shortcut to launch
the system monitor, following the previous discussion about adding a
shortcut for the terminal. They noted that the upstream position, shared by
internally by Jack, was to allow terminal launching to be the only such
exception. Allan Day suggested differentiating whether this is a
theoretical request or an actual need, noting that the System Monitor is
more complex than a simple task manager used historically on Windows for
killing unresponsive apps.
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Decision on System Monitor Shortcut Request: Michael Catanzaro suggested
it would be better to add the capability to set a shortcut without actually
setting one, to avoid multiple requests for specific apps like System
Monitor. Tomáš Popela asked if they should defer to upstream, and Michael
Catanzaro stated that the request is not important enough for a downstream
schema override. Allan Day agreed to comment on the upstream issue to
suggest keeping shortcuts limited to a small set of frequently used small
utilities, and Tomáš Popela will comment on the Fedora issue deferring to
upstream.
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Anaconda Keyboard Configuration Support for Live Session: Tomáš Popela
inquired about the status of issue 511, requesting support for a keyboard
configuration for the Anaconda online environment, which Tomáš Popela
suspected should be assigned to Michael Catanzaro. Michael Catanzaro
confirmed awareness of the issue, which they described as tricky, and noted
that previous attempts at using `localectl` proved insufficient. Michael
Catanzaro plans to try resurrecting patches to move language and keyboard
layout selection to before launching the live desktop, with the goal of
avoiding redundancy by asking the user only once and propagating the
settings through the installation process.
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Final Reminders and Closing: Matthias Clasen offered a small reminder
that they will be traveling the following week and will miss the Tuesday
meeting, but will be at the Linux Application Summit (LAS) and might have a
trip report in two weeks. Matthias Clasen also mentioned that the group was
discussed on This Week in GNOME (TWIG) in the context of the backporting
policy.
