Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Should we have rpm package policies tying
extension packages to the GNOME versions they'll work with?
by Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 03:27:17PM +0000, Gwyn Ciesla wrote:
> I agree that we need some mechanism to keep this working, but Requires
> might indeed be too strict. Would a
>
> BuildRequires >= (the version it wants)
>
> or something help? That way the existing versions would still be in the
> repo, and maintainers wouldn't easily push new versions that aren't
> supported.
>
> Disclaimer, I've not yet finished my first tea.
It's the opposite problem I'm mostly concerned with. However, this would at
least make them FTBFS if they aren't marked as supporting the current GNOME,
which would at least clean up the ones that have been lingering for a long
time.
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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
2 years, 4 months
Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Should we have rpm package policies tying
extension packages to the GNOME versions they'll work with?
by Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 03:30:32PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Please no! Unless you want to break Rawhide users. The upstream
> versioning is already quite hostile.
... but it seems even more hostile to have users' desktops break on upgrades
because of incompatible extensions we've packaged into the distro.
My hope is that there'd be coordination when the newer gnome-shell lands,
and the maintainers of these packages (and possible newer co-maintainers
too) would test and update (possibly even just with a local metadata.json
patch if the extension works unchanged). What's happening now is that no one
notices that they need attention. Especially for some of the more obscure
ones that happen to be included.
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
2 years, 4 months
Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-11-09
by Chris Murphy
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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-11-09)
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Meeting started by brainycmurf at 17:28:45 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-09/workstation...
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Meeting summary
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* Present members: Allan, Michael, Kalev, Owen, Chris, Tomas
(brainycmurf, 17:29:05)
* Present guests: Felipe, Zac, Developer Ahmed (brainycmurf, 17:29:05)
* Regrets: Matthias, Tomas will leave early (brainycmurf, 17:29:05)
* Secretary: Michael (brainycmurf, 17:29:05)
* Approve last week's minutes (brainycmurf, 17:29:05)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-02/workstation...
(brainycmurf, 17:29:06)
* AGREED: Minutes are approved (brainycmurf, 17:29:09)
* WG meeting format (brainycmurf, 17:29:11)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/252 (brainycmurf,
17:29:13)
* What are the goals for our meetings? How are they going? Identify
potential improvements. (brainycmurf, 17:29:17)
* Are status updates useful? (brainycmurf, 17:29:43)
* Try a different video platform? (brainycmurf, 17:29:55)
* F36 workstation schedule (brainycmurf, 17:30:25)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/250#comment-760428
(brainycmurf, 17:30:27)
* F36 change planning (brainycmurf, 17:30:37)
* LINK:
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&milestone=Fedora+...
(brainycmurf, 17:30:43)
* ACTION: Neal volunteers to handle #242 "Automatically uninstalling
Anaconda post-install" (brainycmurf, 17:30:51)
* ACTION: Chris to look at #228 "Enable full preemption"
(brainycmurf, 17:30:53)
* ACTION: Milan is working on #203 "GNOME Software is recommending
proprietary software" (brainycmurf, 17:30:55)
* ACTION: Michael pings Zbigniew in #163 "2m shutdown timer is too
long" (brainycmurf, 17:30:57)
* WG is waiting for further updates in #155 "NVIDIA driver and UEFI
secure boot" (brainycmurf, 17:30:59)
* Neal suggests waiting until F37 to continue discussions on disk
encryption (brainycmurf, 17:31:01)
* Open floor (brainycmurf, 17:31:03)
Meeting ended at 17:31:31 UTC.
Action Items
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* Neal volunteers to handle #242 "Automatically uninstalling Anaconda
post-install"
* Chris to look at #228 "Enable full preemption"
* Milan is working on #203 "GNOME Software is recommending proprietary
software"
* Michael pings Zbigniew in #163 "2m shutdown timer is too long"
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* Neal volunteers to handle #242 "Automatically uninstalling Anaconda
post-install"
* Chris to look at #228 "Enable full preemption"
* Milan is working on #203 "GNOME Software is recommending proprietary
software"
* Michael pings Zbigniew in #163 "2m shutdown timer is too long"
People Present (lines said)
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* brainycmurf (66)
* zodbot (7)
* Allan (0)
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[Fedora 36] Call for Test Days
by Sumantro Mukherjee
Hi Fedora users, developers, and friends!
It's time to start thinking about Test Days for Fedora 36.
For anyone who isn't aware, a Test Day is an event usually focused
around IRC for interaction and a Wiki page for instructions and results,
with the aim being to get a bunch of interested users and developers
together to test a specific feature or area of the distribution. You can
run a Test Day on just about anything for which it would be useful to do
some fairly focused testing in 'real time' with a group of testers; it
doesn't have to be code, for instance, we often run Test Days for
l10n/i18n topics. For more information on Test Days, see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days .
Anyone who wants to can host their own Test Day, or you can request that
the QA group helps you out with organization or any combination of the
two. To propose a Test Day, just file a ticket in fedora-qa pagure - here's
an example https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/624 . For
instructions on hosting a Test Day, see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management .
You can see the schedule at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issues?tags=test+days .
There are many slots open right now. Consider the development
schedule, though, in deciding when you want to run your Test Day - for
some topics you may want to avoid
the time before the Beta release or the time after the feature freeze
or the Final Freeze.
We normally aim to schedule Test Days on Thursdays; however, if you want
to run a series of related Test Days, it's often a good idea to do
something like Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday of the same week (this is
how we usually run the X Test Week, for instance). If all the Thursday
slots fill up but more people want to run Test Days, we will open up
Tuesday slots as overflows. And finally, if you really want to run a
Test Day in a specific time frame due to the development schedule, but
the Thursday slot for that week is full, we can add a slot on another
day. We're flexible! Just put in your ticket the date or time frame you'd
like, and we'll figure it out from there.
If you don't want to run your own Test Day, but you are willing to
help with another, feel free to join one or more of already accepted
Test Days:
GNOME Test Day*
i18n Test Day*
Kernel Test Week(s)*
Upgrade Test Day*
IoT Test Week*
Cloud Test Day*
Fedora CoreOS Test Week*
And don't be afraid, there are a lot of more slots available for your
own Test Day!
[*] These are the test days we run generally to make sure everything
is working fine, the dates get announced as we move into the release
cycle.
If you have any questions about the Test Day process, please don't
hesitate to contact me or any member of the Fedora QA team on test at
lists.fedoraproject.org or in #fedora-qa on IRC. Thanks!
--
//sumantro
Fedora QE
TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED
2 years, 4 months
Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-11-02
by Chris Murphy
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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-11-02)
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Meeting started by brainycmurf at 18:29:08 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-02/workstation...
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Meeting summary
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* Rollcall (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* present: Neal, Matthias, Allan, Chris, Jens, Owen, Michael, Tomas,
Kalev (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* regrets: (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* absent: Langdon (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* present guests: Zac (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* Approval of October 26 minutes (brainycmurf, 18:29:19)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-10-2...
(brainycmurf, 18:29:21)
* Didn't discuss - defer to future meeting (brainycmurf, 18:29:23)
* Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (brainycmurf, 18:29:25)
* Conversations are happening about PRDs and how official editions are
defined. (brainycmurf, 18:29:31)
* LINK:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/what-should-the-prd-process-for-ed...
(brainycmurf, 18:29:33)
* Fedora Linux 35 release (brainycmurf, 18:29:42)
* LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-35/
(brainycmurf, 18:29:44)
* Improve driver installation experience (brainycmurf, 18:29:54)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/238 (brainycmurf,
18:29:56)
* There's also the secure boot issue -
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155 (brainycmurf,
18:30:11)
* ACTION: Matthias to invite Peter to join a call, speak to Jared and
Richard about joining too (brainycmurf, 18:30:25)
* ACTION: Neal to set the milestone for this issue to F36
(brainycmurf, 18:30:27)
* Fedora Workstation release schedule / check list (brainycmurf,
18:30:29)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/250 (brainycmurf,
18:30:31)
Meeting ended at 18:32:24 UTC.
Action Items
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* Matthias to invite Peter to join a call, speak to Jared and Richard
about joining too
* Neal to set the milestone for this issue to F36
Action Items, by person
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* Neal
* Neal to set the milestone for this issue to F36
* **UNASSIGNED**
* Matthias to invite Peter to join a call, speak to Jared and Richard
about joining too
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* brainycmurf (42)
* zodbot (7)
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* Neal (0)
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