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Workstation deliverables for F23
by Jan Kurik 03 Sep '15

03 Sep '15

Hi Working Group, currently we are missing list of release deliverables (blocking as well as non-blocking) for Fedora releases. Some time ago there has been an activity started in FESCo to fill this gap [1]. As part of this activity has been put together a Wiki page summarizing all the deliverables we need, to have a Fedora release complete [2]. I would like to ask you (WG) to go through the section "Workstation" of the Wiki page and put together the list of deliverables which is produced by Workstation WG for Fedora 23. Thanks for your cooperation. Regards, Jan [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1427 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fe… -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic

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Workstation WG Recap 2015-Sep-02
by Michael Catanzaro 03 Sep '15

03 Sep '15

Note: the link to the HTML minutes and the log is not working. Not sure why. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09-02/wor kstation.2015-09-02-14.01.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09 -02/workstation.2015-09-02-14.01.txt Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09-02/worksta tion.2015-09-02-14.01.log.html =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by mcatanzaro at 14:01:15 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-09-02/workstation. 2015-09-02-14.01.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call! (mcatanzaro, 14:01:32) * i686 install media (mcatanzaro, 14:07:55) * Is the text on the workstation product on getfedora.org OK? (mcatanzaro, 14:11:17) * LINK: https://getfedora.org/ (mcatanzaro, 14:11:33) * "Fedora Workstation is a polished, easy to use operating system for laptop and desktop computers, with a complete set of tools and helpers for developers and makers of all kinds." (mcatanzaro, 14:11:57) * LINK: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/ (mcatanzaro, 14:12:07) * "This is the Linux workstation you've been waiting for." (mcatanzaro, 14:12:16) * "Fedora Workstation is a reliable, user-friendly, and powerful operating system for your laptop or desktop computer. It supports a wide range of developers, from hobbyists and students to professionals in corporate environments." (mcatanzaro, 14:12:51) * SecureBoot enabled causes Win 8 UEFI to not start from grub (mcatanzaro, 14:19:52) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170245 (mcatanzaro, 14:21:01) * ACTION: mcatanzaro to ask Chris Murphy to follow up on https://github.com/rhinstaller/shim/issues regarding https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170245 (mcatanzaro, 14:24:39) * Default applications (mcatanzaro, 14:24:54) * ACTION: mcatanzaro to investigate probable Shotwell security issue (mcatanzaro, 14:55:31) * ACTION: mcatanzaro to remove transmission (mcatanzaro, 15:00:56) Meeting ended at 15:00:58 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mcatanzaro to ask Chris Murphy to follow up on https://github.com/rhinstaller/shim/issues regarding https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170245 * mcatanzaro to investigate probable Shotwell security issue * mcatanzaro to remove transmission Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mcatanzaro * mcatanzaro to ask Chris Murphy to follow up on https://github.com/rhinstaller/shim/issues regarding https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170245 * mcatanzaro to investigate probable Shotwell security issue * mcatanzaro to remove transmission * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mcatanzaro (80) * mclasen (24) * otaylor (18) * rishi (17) * kalev (15) * juhp_ (10) * zodbot (6) * rdieter (4) * sgallagh (2) * cschalle (2) * mclasen_ (1) * pjones (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Let's reconsider some more applications installed by default
by Michael Catanzaro 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

>From the latest revision of our PRD [1]: "Fedora Workstation follows the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. These guidelines are mandatory for applications installed by default." Currently we have applications that clearly do not follow these guidelines. Unless we plan to revisit this section of the PRD, we should remove them, or set a deadline for them to be improved. * Devassistant. Needs an app menu, plus a serious sit-down with the GNOME designers. We want to make it easy to develop apps for Fedora, but not at the cost of leaving a bad quality impression. * Evolution: Needs a major redesign that is not going to happen. Geary is not yet a suitable replacement. Options: (1) Not install any email client, because most users will use webmail; we can feature Evolution in GNOME Software. (2) If we want to keep Evolution installed by default, it's time to require the maintainers to add an app menu. * Firefox. I see two options here: (1) replace it with Epiphany (FWIW, I think Epiphany has matured enough recently for this to be reasonable, but I am biased ;) (2) enable the GNOME extensions, mandate that they be updated in tandem with updates to Firefox in Fedora, and patch in an application menu. The extensions are good, and Mozilla is a reasonable upstream we can work with to get permission for this. The status quo should not be an option. * setroubleshoot. This app is completely hopeless. SELinux issues are sufficiently rare nowadays that we simply do not need this anymore, although it would be ideal for ABRT to detect the issues and handle bug reports. * Shotwell. Eventually we can replace it with GNOME Photos, but in the meantime, users can just install a photo management app if they want one. Also, I suspect Shotwell sends your password to Facebook without verifying its TLS certificate.... * Transmission. Its only significant legal use is to download our competitor's products (Linux ISOs), hardly something we need to encourage. It's featured in GNOME Software already. Thoughts? Michael [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-June/012419.html

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Workstation WG Recap 2015-Aug-19
by Michael Catanzaro 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

Recap for the meeting from two weeks ago. Minutes: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation /workstation.2015-08-19-14.00.html Minutes (text): https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation /workstation.2015-08-19-14.00.txt Log: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation /workstation.2015-08-19-14.00.log.html * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by mclasen at 14:00:27 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-08-19/workstation. 2015-08-19-14.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (mclasen, 14:00:50) * Possible critical GLib issue? (mclasen, 14:12:42) * ACTION: mclasen to come up with a working fix for glib file monitoring (mclasen, 14:17:24) * rpm-ostree based Workstation - are we going to line this up for a f24 chnge ? (mclasen, 14:18:14) * ACTION: otaylor reach out to Adam Miller and Richard Hughes to discuss workstation ostrees and updates (mclasen, 14:22:36) * ACTION: mclasen find resources to investigate automatic rpm -> xdg-app conversion (mclasen, 14:30:25) * i686 demotion (mclasen, 14:38:30) * AGREED: We will keep the i686 workstation image for f23 (mclasen, 14:55:34) * The Workstation WG would prefer to keep i686 if and only if someone is actively maintaining the kernel, otherwise they will drop it (mclasen, 14:59:42) * gnome-characters to replace gucharmap ? (mclasen, 14:59:55) * IDEA: : replace gucharmap with gnome-characters in f23 (mclasen, 15:01:47) * AGREED: gnome-characters will replace gucharmap in f23 (mclasen, 15:07:10) * ACTION: kalev replace gucharmap by gnome-characters (mclasen, 15:07:24) Meeting ended at 15:07:37 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mclasen to come up with a working fix for glib file monitoring * otaylor reach out to Adam Miller and Richard Hughes to discuss workstation ostrees and updates * mclasen find resources to investigate automatic rpm -> xdg-app conversion * kalev replace gucharmap by gnome-characters Action Items, by person ----------------------- * kalev * kalev replace gucharmap by gnome-characters * mclasen * mclasen to come up with a working fix for glib file monitoring * mclasen find resources to investigate automatic rpm -> xdg-app conversion * otaylor * otaylor reach out to Adam Miller and Richard Hughes to discuss workstation ostrees and updates * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mclasen (105) * kalev (31) * otaylor (30) * sgallagh (26) * rdieter (11) * cschalle (6) * zodbot (5) * nirik (1) * Southern_Gentlem (1) * aday__ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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I am a loser -- WG meeting 2015-Sep-02
by Paul W. Frields 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

I hate to do this again. Really. But I'm going to be unavailable for our next Workstation WG meeting on Wednesday 2015-Sep-02 because I need to take my son to an open house at his new school, while my wife is at class herself. Is there someone who can take the helm that day? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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