I managed to get my hands on a touch screen tablet. It's an Asus
something (fpaste --sysinfo here). It came with windows 8
preinstalled, so I assume it supports multitouch. I installed Gnome 3.14
from one of the nightly images to see how well it works on it. It's now
completely up to date with the F21 package set. Here are my findings
(I'll file bugs when I find time. I'll also update the test page when
I've filed my bugs):
1. The on screen keyboard doesn't automatically come up on the tablet.
Is there a way to check if the system has a connected keyboard and bring
it up if one isn't found? I tapped on "Install Fedora" and when I had to
type in anaconda, the keyboard didn't come up. I had to quit anaconda,
go to settings, enable accessibility and the keyboard and then redo
2. Not all the gestures listed here work for me. The page was listed
here on the test day page:
a. tapping works
b. press and hold worked in the dash, but it didn't bring up the right
click menu in nautilus. I haven't figured out how to bring it up yet.
c. drag for scrolling works
d. pinch to zoom didn't work in maps/shotwell. Worked in eog.
e. double tap didn't work in eog either
f. three finger pinch didn't bring up overview
g. four finger drag didn't switch workspaces
h. finger hold and tab didn't bring up the window switcher
3. The on screen keyboard doesn't work too well. At the moment, each key
I press is typed in twice somehow - even after rebooting. I had to plug
in a usb keyboard to complete the g-i-s configuration.
4. The on screen keyboard doesn't have arrow keys like any other touch
keyboard. This makes using the terminal just a little difficult since
you can't access the previous command that easily. Similarly, it doesn't
have ctrl alt etc., so restarting the shell if it gets stuck etc. or
bringing up the "looking glass" is a little difficult without a usb
keyboard. These aren't usual use cases, but maybe something like a
"developer mode" could enable these?
5. The tablet also had a stylus which we managed to lose. It therefore
recognises it as a wacom tablet. I clicked on "calibrate" and it brought
up a screen with circles in the centre and a cross hair. I couldn't
figure out how to get out of it. No gesture worked, not even alt f4 from
the USB keyboard. A "cancel" button somewhere would be nice. Also some
instructions on what one is supposed to do would help. I think you're
supposed to point the stylus at the cross hair, but I'm only guessing
I have this tablet for another two weeks, and I'll be happy to test out
stuff if any one wants me to.
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As we discussed last week, we're doing an out-of-cycle meeting
tomorrow. I've gathered what seem to be the most pressing issues
below. If you have something you feel is more urgent, or you'd like
to add it in case we have time, please let me know.
As a reminder, we decided on-list last week to remove firewall-config
from the default install. We also agreed to the Apps and Launchers
* net-install for Alpha
- How are we doing?
* Workstation Marketing/Release notes
- Christian's draft
- Hardware requirements?
* Default image viewer
- Current consensus seem to be to drop shotwell and go with either
eog or gthumb.
- Concern that changing default now will be pointless if we change
it again in a release for gphotos
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Leslie S Satenstein
> Hi Elad
> Sometimes I wonder if I am alone with the documentation group. I see that you and I have similar ideas.
> I have been stating that the release notes, perhaps in pdf format, should be stored in the same directory as the ISO images.
> The notes could be in html format by language
> b) Torrent file -- ditto
> c) PDF or *odt format
> If wanted, use a a separate directory to hold the notes. In this case, a language code in the title would distinguish the appropriate translation.
> In my view, If I have already installed the ISO, it is too late for the notes -- Fedora21 will be functional. The true use of the notes is for planning the upgrade, be it by fresh installation or via fedup.
> But what would be of interest to me for pre-installation planning would be a bill-of-lading -- a contents list for each of the Fedora 21 iso images.
> Mr. Leslie Satenstein
That sounds like a good compromise.
The Final Release Criteria doesn't state we need the release notes on
the *installed* system, it uses the phrasing "on the image"
So, yes, this is possible, but to make it happen we need to generate
PDFs for the release notes, and get rel-eng to put them on the media
Just one thing: next time please use "reply to all" to reply on-list
so other people can see your message too.
Is this compromise (putting PDF files in the directory on the media
instead of in the live system itself) acceptable for everyone?
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On 09/02/2014 03:44 AM, Honza Horak wrote:
> On 08/26/2014 05:42 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:46:40 +0200 Honza Horak
>> <hhorak(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> I'm not against each group doing a summary, but as noted by
>> Josh, sometimes the summaries are very repetitive ( ...still
>> working on implemeting roles... etc)
>>> List of proposed MLs to send this summary to:
>>> server(a)lists.fedoraproject.org desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>> This is turning into my new pet peeve. ;)
>> Cross posting to bunches of lists is not a good idea, IMHO.
>> * It means the person posting the summary has to be subscribed to
>> every single list they are sending to. * It means if anyone hits
>> reply to all they have to be subscribed to every single list or
>> deal with rejections/bounces/moderation.
>> I think the best thing would be to mail just one list: devel.
> All right, I see the point, cross posting does not seem to be very
> useful, devel@ or meetingminutes@ seem to be more appropriate way.
> However, that's actually what we do already and I feel like it does
> not work very well. People need to pay attention to catch the
> meeting minutes they care about and since there is no summary of
> what is happening beyond meetings (on the group's mailing list or
> even any place else), it is almost impossible to stay tuned for
One thing I've been doing for the recent Server meetings is publishing
the meetbot notes to the Server WG blog (which appears on Planet
Fedora). I'm trying to get us in the habit of keeping more detailed
#info notes so that this will become more useful going forward.
>> Failing that, I think the best way we can do cross posting right
>> now is for people to send seperate copies of an email to each
>> list they want to post to, follow discussion on all those lists,
>> and then do another sum up post if there's important feedback
>> from only one list.
> Just going back to the original idea -- my goal in the first place
> was to have a simple way for everybody who is interested in what
> working groups work on to learn about that quickly. Bringing this
> message to other groups directly was supposed to prevent people to
> forget staying tuned.
>>> Comments, ideas or better solutions are welcome as usually, but
>>> I might be offline until Sunday, so do not expect any answers
>>> from me in that time :)
>> Fair enough.
> _______________________________________________ server mailing
> list server(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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Few questions regarding our default offering:
1) Why is icedtea-web installed by default? I really don't think a java
browser plugin is something we want by default. Software makes it very easy
to install it for those who need it.
2) Do we want to replace Rhythmbox with gnome-music?
3) Do we really need a firewall configuration UI?
Can we hide nm-connection-editor from the application view? It's not an app.
See upstream bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682456