based on request of cschaller, I'm sending the proposed list of Qt/Qt5
packages to be included in Fedora Workstation:
(you can see the dep chain of qt5 packages here:
Lukáš Tinkl <ltinkl(a)redhat.com>
Senior Software Engineer - KDE desktop team, Brno
KDE developer <lukas(a)kde.org>
Red Hat Inc. http://cz.redhat.com
The first thing I do after installing Fedora is open gedit and save an
empty file named Empty Document into ~/Templates. This is the magic
incantation required to add a context menu entry to nautilus for
creating new files.
Not many users will be able to figure this out, but it seems like
something that many will want. I propose adding it to /etc/skel so that
it gets created by default for new users. Thoughts?
Below are some abridged meeting minutes from today's meeting. Due to
Freenode netsplitting several times, there are fragments of
conversation in the logs and it was a very confusing meeting overall.
While this wasn't any fault of the WG's or Fedora, we do apologize and
hopefully next week will come together better.
We did manage, however briefly, to come together to agree on adopting
the proposed guidelines for Apps and Launchers for Workstation. For
now these are Workstation specific an used as guidelines for picking
default apps. There is a strong desire to see how much commonality
can be found across the project for this, so I'll start a separate
thread to kick off that discussion.
If anyone has any questions, please let us know. We'll be doing an
out-of-cycle meeting next Wednesday at the same time and place to
address some of the other items. In the meantime, we will be
discussing the higher priority issues on the list.
#fedora-meeting: Fedora Workstation Meeting
Meeting started by jwb at 15:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at
* init (jwb, 15:00:19)
* Apps and Launchers Guidelines (jwb, 15:03:49)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Elad/Draft_app_guidelines
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1131248 -- bug
concerning some issues on java packages (stickster, 15:18:29)
* AGREED: adopt guidelines for Workstation (jwb, 15:46:33)
* jwb to start discussion with other products/WGs (jwb, 15:46:48)
Meeting ended at 15:49:07 UTC.
Action Items, by person
People Present (lines said)
* elad661 (61)
* jwb (58)
* cwickert (39)
* cschalle (29)
* kalev (17)
* stickster (14)
* juhp_ (14)
* mclasen (12)
* aday (9)
* drago01 (9)
* otaylor (8)
* zodbot (6)
* mclasen_ (2)
* sgallagh (2)
* nirik (1)
* hadess (1)
* ryanlerch (0)
* juhp (0)
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Just a reminder that we'll be meeting again on #fedora-meeting at
15:00 UTC next Wednesday 2014-09-03. I'll have an agenda sent the day
before again. In the meantime, please follow up on the
firewall-config and netinstall threads on-list. We'll likely need to
get consensus there for those as they are impacting Alpha.
Hello Websites and Desktop lists.
I think it's time we drop our usage of start.fedoraproject.org as the
default start page for Firefox in Fedora and simply use the firefox
about:home page as the default starting page for the browser.
What do you think?
Generally, the start page was designed to somehow be a gateway for
Fedora to encourage people to participate and contribute. But I'm not
sure if it really works.
Reasons why I think it's time for this page to go:
* We got numerous of complaints about inappropriate planet fedora
posts that appeared there. Having contributor-generated content in the
start page seems like a bad idea in hindsight. Most of the Planet
posts are also not very relevant (or inviting) for people who are not
already part of the community.
* The design is a bit too simplistic, yet since the current design
was introduced nobody had the time/energy/will to think of / implement
anything better. To be frank, it's kinda ugly - and I think I'm
allowed to say this because I'm the one who implemented (and if I
recall correctly, also "designed" it).
* Our "main goal" used to be "gaining contributors" and getting
people involved with the project. While this goal still remains
intact, it's no longer our main driving force (at least for the
Wrokstation product), but rather "build the best OS for software
developers" - as such it would be better if the start page would be
actually *usable* for our target audience. Gaining contributors
remains a goal, but it shouldn't affect our UI/UX decisions.
fwiw it's not the first time I've suggested the removal of this page.
I want input on this from both Desktop and Websites before I file a
bug for the Firefox package to drop this default.
Of course we will have to have start.fedoraproject.org online still
for at least another cycle, because people might still have it as
their homepage (I've seen a few, they don't really look at the page
and just go to the address bar directly).
We could, for example, replace it with some sort of "contributor hub"
page with resources, workflows and practical guides on how to get
involved for new contributors (ie. reuse the start.fpo name, *not* use
a contributor hub as a homepage) but I don't know if anyone has the
time, energy and will to implement and maintain such thing.
On 08/27/2014 11:16 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
> Perhaps, can you get rid of the clutter around the sides, and just
> have one, primary, emphasized point? Kind of like Firefox and Google's
The primary emphasis is on the updated content stream that (normally) is
geared towards users. The very top of the page has a bar with what Elad
and I distilled into the three most important links for new users -
docs, help, and Fedora mag (the full site.)
> One point that we would like to get across to the user. If
> I had any experience in design, I would put a search box,
A search box that searches what? That goes where? The default browser
has a search box built into the interface via both the URL bar and the
search bar in the upper right, both search the web...
> a support
There's a large one in the top center of the screen, "Help for Fedora
Users." Should the link be phrased differently do you you? Maybe
"Support" instead of "Help" ? Is the emphasis with the icon and bright
blue not enough?
> a small box with "Updates", and some other useful links in a
> third box.
That's the purpose the Fedora Magazine news feed is supposed to serve
(if you mean news & updates type of updates.) Or do you mean updates, as
in software updates?
> However, I would emphasize a single point in the centre of
> the page, so that it appears less cluttered.
Emphasis, again, is on the news feed in the center of the page. We could
de-emphasize that and emphasize the top 3-item nav bar more?
> Just some thoughts. There doesn't seem to be any FOSS search engines,
> so my vision probably won't be able to be realized. I don't have much
> design experience, so these are just suggestions from an untrained
> eye. :)
Thank you; I appreciate the psecific feedback.
On 08/27/2014 10:43 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
> Looks pretty. I like the design, but perhaps we can make it a little
> more useful? The blog entries in the middle and some of the other blocks
> clutter the page quite a bit. Can you make it more minimalistic, so that
> people will keep it as their homepage?
We are open to suggestions, of course. "make it more minimalistic" isn't
actionable. Can you be more specific?
Below is the meeting agenda for tomorrow. I know there are more
things likely to be discussed, but we only have an hour set aside for
this meeting. Let's see if we can get some of these decided and pick
up on the rest in the next meeting.
With that said, if there is something you think is more important than
one of these topics, please let me know.
* Apps and Launchers guidelines
* firewalld-config installed by default or not
* Default image viewer
* net-install for Alpha?
* Task list review
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:46:40 +0200
Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I'm not against each group doing a summary, but as noted by Josh,
sometimes the summaries are very repetitive ( ...still working on
implemeting roles... etc)
> List of proposed MLs to send this summary to:
This is turning into my new pet peeve. ;)
Cross posting to bunches of lists is not a good idea, IMHO.
* It means the person posting the summary has to be subscribed to every
single list they are sending to.
* It means if anyone hits reply to all they have to be subscribed to
every single list or deal with rejections/bounces/moderation.
I think the best thing would be to mail just one list: devel.
Failing that, I think the best way we can do cross posting right now is
for people to send seperate copies of an email to each list they want
to post to, follow discussion on all those lists, and then do another
sum up post if there's important feedback from only one list.
> Comments, ideas or better solutions are welcome as usually, but I
> might be offline until Sunday, so do not expect any answers from me
> in that time :)