August 2009 - desktop - Fedora mailing-lists

XCF Pixbuf Loader
by Debarshi Ray 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

http://blog.reblochon.org/2009/03/gift-to-competition.html Is it a good idea to package it? Or has it been intentionally been kept out due to other plans? Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig

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GDM Login Screen
by Frank Murphy 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

Apologies for noise. Google hasn't helped. or main list How can I get rid of "Other" user Will future ugrades\updates remove this by default? -- Regards, Frank jabber | msn | skype: frankly3d http://www.frankly3d.com

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A less cluttered desktop
by Matthias Clasen 21 Sep '09

21 Sep '09

In anticipation of the corresponding upstream change, I have just built a change to the GConf schemas in libgnome to not show icons in menus and buttons by default anymore. This change may take a little while to get used to, but I hope that most people will come around and appreciate the less cluttered desktop. Feedback appreciated. Matthias

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GNOME Shell support in desktop-effects
by Owen Taylor 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

I just pushed a set of changes to the desktop-effects repository on fedorahosted to add support for GNOME Shell. The basic idea can be seen in the screenshot attached - instead of a single "Enable Desktop Effects" button, the user is now presented with a three-way choice of "Standard" "Compiz" and "GNOME Shell", with short explanations for each. As before the choice is instant-apply and when the user is switching to a compositor, they are presented with a count-down dialog that they have to click on to confirm their choice. UI suggestions, small and large, appreciated. The dialog will be split out of the compiz-gnome package into a separate package required by both compiz-gnome and gnome-shell. If compiz-gnome or gnome-shell is not installed the option is simply not shown. It would be neat to instead have a "Not installed. _Install Now_" message with a package-kit enabled link, but: A) I'd have to implement it B) I'm not completely sure that we want to make it quite that easy to try out GNOME Shell with out any context. If people have to read about it somewhere and install gnome-shell as a separate step, then they'll have the opportunity to get some context. C) I'd have to implement it Longer-term, maybe even in Fedora 13, the idea is that desktop-effects goes away. Switching between gnome-panel/metacity and gnome-shell will be done through standard GNOME dialogs, for as long as gnome-panel is still supported. gnome-shell won't have the inter-distribution differences that made a unified switcher to Compiz impossible. For Compiz, Fedora should stop using the GConf plugin and ship a Compiz that is more natively "Compiz" and uses the standard Compiz configuration tools. Presumably those tools already provide the opportunity to switch your session to use Compiz, if it is not currently running, or will do so in the future. - Owen

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PackageKit command line plugin
by Rahul Sundaram 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

Hi, First time I run a command for a package I don't have to install, I have to wait for a really long time for the whole file list to be downloaded. This is not really going to be a good first impression. Since this plugin is now by default in Rawhide, I was wondering if there was any plans to fix or workaround the problem. Rahul

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No MTA on the desktop
by Rahul Sundaram 31 Aug '09

31 Aug '09

Hi Short proposal: Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time. Longer Story: For context, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00660.html A proposal has been made at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA That is going to go through FESCo and since it is past feature freeze, I think it makes sense for now to use ssmtp in the desktop kickstart file and drop sendmail. Will Woods confirmed that it wouldn't really break anything. Note that ssmtp doesn't queue mails but I don't think any mails send by cron is going to be either visible or useful for the desktop user. When I was maintaining the Xfce spin, we did replace sendmail with ssmtp http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedor… It's been a few releases since. LXDE spin is doing the same thing as well http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedor… Can the desktop team consider this? Rahul

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RE: The MTA on Desktop
by Hristo Petkov 31 Aug '09

31 Aug '09

Hi all, It is none of my business to comment this MTA, but in my view the space on the Live CD is the least problem. It is a matter of security. This MTA has nothing to do on the Desktop. Everything which is intended to ease the user sooner or later becomes a drawback... at least the experience shows this. Regrads

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Printing test day coming up...
by Matthias Clasen 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

Another week, another Fit and Finish test day. This time around, we want to look at printing. See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-18_Fit_and_Finish:Printi… Both Marek Kasik and Tim Waugh have kindly agreed to be around, so we'll have sufficient expertise for all of the printing stack. Drop in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode on Tuesday, Aug 14, to join in the fun. Matthias

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Roles and Policy
by David Zeuthen 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

Hey, I've just added a new subpackage in the polkit SRPM called polkit-desktop-policy. This package will add two new system groups (the trailing _r signifies these are really roles, not ordinary groups) - desktop_admin_r - desktop_user_r The patch is here http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/polkit/polkit.spec?r1=1.8&r2=1.9 It works like this 1. If the desktop_admin_r group is non-empty, then users in the group are used for administrator authentication - see the polkit(8) man page for details: http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/polkit/polkit.8.html If the desktop_admin_r group is empty, we just ask for the root password instead. For example, the following is a screenshot where the users davidz and bateman are in the desktop_admin_r group: http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/pkexec-with-desktop-admin-r.png 2. Second, if you are member of the desktop_admin_r group, then you should be allowed to do a lot of things without being interrupted by authentication dialogs. This part isn't complete, for now, it includes org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.* - set timezone and system time org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.* - all storage related things org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1.* - run real-time processes but we probably want to allow installing trusted packages, install trusted updates and remove packages. Without asking for a password. Probably more - Richard? 3. Third, if you are a member of the desktop_user_r group then you should be allowed to do a number of things - not as much as the desktop_admin_r role, but things like setting the time zone. For now, we only include org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.settimezone A couple of notes - As we add/remove mechanisms (e.g. privileged apps using polkit), we need to update this package. That's fine. - For this to be really useful, we need the User Account Editor that Matthias wrote about here https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-May/msg00006.html Sadly no work has been done on this yet. Anyway, the main point is that we can add something like this Account Type (*) Standard User ( ) Administrative User to this tool. We can also add more roles, e.g. "Restricted User" and also tailor policy for the mythical guest account. - This is opt-in. If you don't want to use this, just don't add any users to the desktop_admin_r or desktop_user_r groups. Heck, just uninstall the package. Second, other third-party packages can easily override this thanks to how the polkit local authority works (see the pklocalauthority(8) man page for details). - This should put an end to the (IMO misguided) request "please add first user to the 'wheel' group". The new 'wheel' is 'desktop_admin_r' and the new sudo(1) is pkexec(1). (Of course sudo(1) will still continue to work but it is not what we officially want to support. PolicyKit is, however) - With support in the OS installer for automatically adding the first user to desktop_admin_r, we should be close to actually doing installs without the concept of a root password... Of course this is not 100% useful until a) the OS installer knows about this; and b) we have an User Account Editor. But it is 90% there. Finally, Matthias, can someone please add polkit-desktop-policy to the default desktop install? Thanks. David

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Re: Re: Roles and Policy (Action Required)
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13 Aug '09

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poppler-data reviewed, built for rawhide
by Rex Dieter 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

fyi, poppler-data review finished, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507675 and built for rawhide, http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1576318 I suppose we could add a dep for it to poppler now (like how it was bundled with poppler pkgs in previous releases)... or not, it's optional after all. Alternatively, since it helps certain only certain locales/encodings, could add it to the appropriate CJK and Cyrillic related lang-support groups in comps. thoughts? -- Rex

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Reminder: fit and finish test day tomorrow
by Matthias Clasen 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Just a quick reminder: We are meeting tomorrow in #fedora-fit-and-finish on freenode to test how well F12 works with phones, music players, cameras, usb sticks and other things you care to plug into your computer. See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… Live cds are available on that page now. See you tomorrow, Matthias

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RE: The Live CD
by Hristo Petkov 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Hi all, The live CD is O.K. as it is. A flash movie with instructions my be added to the Cover Page of Fedora Project, which is opened by the web browser upon starting. A hyperlink to the movie is enough. The browser will 'blackmail' the user to install the flash player and after that the user will be able to watch the movie. A classification of the users may be done as well. If you are Intel Centrino Duo Mobile Laptop watch this ... If you are 8 processor workstation watch this ... If you are Desktop PC watch this ... and so on. The problem is if the user instead of going to the web browser goes to the system terminal or to the package installer, but in that case he most probably will not need to watch the movie with instructions I suppose. The Live CD will remain at the present state as it is, without any change. Best regards Hristo Petkov

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FedoraStudio: the final step
by Orcan Ogetbil 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hello everyone, (If you don't own a multimedia package you can skip this thread) This is a call for help for adjusting the .desktop files of your multimedia applications according to the new FedoraStudio feature [1]. For those who missed the news, with F-12 we will have an optional multimedia-menus package that will subcategorize the Sound&Video menu in Gnome (Multimedia menu in KDE). This package is currently geared towards multimedia creation folks, however this target audience may be expanded in the future to meet the demand. To place the applications in the proper category, the .desktop files need to have proper categories listed. Since I am a (co)maintainer of most audio creation packages in Fedora, I have finished most of the required work. However there are a few packages left that need to be addressed. So please follow the link [2] and check if your multimedia package meets the criteria for any of the submenus we will have. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me. I will do a final check around September 8th, about two weeks before the beta freeze and fix the remaining .desktop files. Also let me know if you don't want your package to be touched. Thanks for your time! Orcan PS: Adjusting your .desktop file with this specification will not change the experience of anyone who doesn't have the multimedia-menus package installed. Your application will be still in the Sound&Video/Multimedia desktop menu as long as you have "AudioVideo" listed as a category in your .desktop file. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio#Outline

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Re: Packages loaded into Fedora by default
by Paul W. Frields 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:30:18AM -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Eric > Christensen<eric(a)christensenplace.us> wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 14:41 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Ian Weller<ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 03:15:00PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: > >> >> How do we ask for certain document guides to be loaded into the system > >> >> by default and do we have any guides that need to be in the default > >> >> install? > >> >> > >> > I believe that's called "comps". > >> > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/ > >> > > >> > I'm not really sure about the process of adding a package to comps. Best > >> > way to find out, I think, would be to nab someone from FESCo. ;) > >> > >> Which docs do you want loaded automatically? I ask because if we're > >> thinking of loading something like release notes, then we should > >> probably obsolete and retire the fedora-release-notes package for > >> F-12. > >> > >> Paul > >> > > > > Hadn't really considered loading anything automatically. Someone asked > > me a few months back and I had written the question in my notes but > > couldn't remember getting the answer. > > > > Yeah, we need to get the Release Notes stuff straightened out. > > Here by "automatically" I meant "by default," so I'm asking about the > same docs you're talking about . ;-) Sorry for the confusion. Which > packages, in other words, are you considering adding to comps? Also, I wanted to point out that if you want to retire fedora-release-notes, the sooner the better, especially since the Desktop SIG has to consider eliminating things from the Live spin each release due to space constraints. The fedora-release-notes package is fairly sizable IIRC, and this time around The GIMP is on the chopping block. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Adding system-wide icons to the desktop?
by Axel Thimm 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hi, is there a way to add some more icons to the users' desktop? I once tried sabayon (end of 2008?) but it was not working at that time and in general I prefer not to overwrite user folders/files at each login. I'd prefer a solution like some entry under /etc/gconf. Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list
by Hristo Petkov 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hi all, In my view it doesn't matter what exactly is on the live CD - a kernel with a Desktop GUI and Internet browser and connection are more than enough. The most important think is how the user is going to proceed after installing Linux. After installing the live CD on the harddisk the user shall get knowing somehow that the first thing to do next is neither AbyWord nor GIMP, nor Movie Player but rather to place properly ALL of its computer hardware. Everything needing a plugin of any third parties, not supported by Open Source should be installed and the contradictions with SELinux resolved ad hoc. Some of the things on the live CD may be omitted to release a space of 100-150 kb to place there a video with instructions and presentation how to proceed further. As far as GIMP is concerned, the GIMP itself may be reduced on the live CD to a basic GUI and some basic image processing. People who intent to use GIMP may install whatever they like in addition. Regards --- On Sat, 8/8/09, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: From: fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 11 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 (Jesse Keating) 2. Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals (Matthias Clasen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:00:20 -0700 From: Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <1249660820.3759.113.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 04:29 -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote: > There are a lot of other things that can be dropped. If you're going to make statements like that, you're going to have to provide a patch or a list of those "other things" that can be dropped that will match the space savings of dropping gimp. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/attachments/20090807/8b… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:53:02 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com, Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com>, Development discussions related to Fedora Core <fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com> Cc: davidz(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <1249663982.2242.7.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain Hi all, time for another 'Fit and Finish' test day. This time, we want to look at issues and use cases surrounding anything you can plug into your computer, be it a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Join us in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode, on Aug 11 (next Tuesday). For more information about this test day, see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… For more information about 'Fit and Finish', see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish Matthias ------------------------------ -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list End of Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 11 ***************************************************

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Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals
by Matthias Clasen 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

Hi all, time for another 'Fit and Finish' test day. This time, we want to look at issues and use cases surrounding anything you can plug into your computer, be it a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Join us in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode, on Aug 11 (next Tuesday). For more information about this test day, see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… For more information about 'Fit and Finish', see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish Matthias

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9
by Hristo Petkov 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

Hi Guys, I am not sure that dropping GIMP is a very good idea. There are a lot of other things that can be dropped. By the way, the live CD should contain only basic trends in applications. A few weeks ago the talk was going on about cluttered desktop. One of the reasons people make cluttered desktop is because they do not know what to install and what not to install, and what to install after what. GIMP is basic image processing under Linux. Why don't you drop the StarDict for example. I cannot add custom dictionaries to it, I cannot add and remove words from it, and nowhere on the internet could I find what is the DB format (dict maybe) and how can one add custom dictionaries to it without reading half of the wikipedia before that. AbyWord is making errors as well. Try to insert a symbol in AbyWord for example. GIMP is O.K. Best regards. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: From: fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matthias Clasen) 2. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matthias Clasen) 3. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Bill Nottingham) 4. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matej Cepl) 5. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Nicu Buculei) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:46:16 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1249562776.1608.3.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 11:26 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 14:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > The live cd has a very hard time shrinking below 700M, and it is not > > going to get better when it switches to use a dracut initrd. > > > > One way to make sufficient room on the live cd would be to drop Gimp. > > > > This has been proposed independently, on the grounds that it is not a > > very good fit for the live cd audience anyway (where we probably at most > > need the occasional photo touch ups), and its UI is somewhat > > unconventional. > > > > There is probably not going to be any alternative to this step, due to > > the hard size limits, but I'd like to give people a chance to comment > > first, anyway. So, comments ? > > Would dropping just the gimp user docs, or the extra data be enough? > Those were already gone. And it was not enough. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:47:38 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1249562858.1608.5.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:49 +0000, Matej Cepl wrote: > Toshio Kuratomi, Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:39:01 -0700: > > I don't think Nicu and Gerd are talking so much about random features > > that random users want to try... I think they're talking more about the > > best of breed software and "killer apps" that allow people to see the > > quality of programs written via a free software approach. In this vein, > > GIMP and firefox are both projects that are showcase pieces. They show > > people that free software can be quality software that is a valid > > alternative to proprietary offerings from Adobe and Microsoft. > > Well, if we want to follow this logic, than we should throw a lot of > stuff before removing OpenOffice.org from it, right? > Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso size up to 825M. Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up to 820M. This is without any openoffice lang packs. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:54:51 -0400 From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <20090806135451.GC8712(a)nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul W. Frields (stickster(a)gmail.com) said: > > Some best-of-breed open source stuff like puppet, or apache, > > or <insert other examples here> doesn't really lend itself to a > > demo-ware spin. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't/couldn't have one, > > but it's not going to be a full best-of-breed of what Fedora can do. > > Is there any appeal in doing something more useful with > start.fedoraproject.org, the default browser home page? Such as > putting a few best of breed apps on the page, with links to the latest > builds that PK can install at a click? See bug 315171; there's been ideas floated in this space for a while, but there just haven't been people with time to take the ball and run with it. If there are people on this thread who want to tackle these sorts of thing and have the time to do it (I think we've sort of conclusively proven that the base development & packaging people don't, unfortunately), I'm all for it. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Matej Cepl <mcepl(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <h5eqqi$igg$2(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Matthias Clasen, Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:47:38 -0400: >> Well, if we want to follow this logic, than we should throw a lot of >> stuff before removing OpenOffice.org from it, right? >> > Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso size up > to 825M. > > Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up to > 820M. > > This is without any openoffice lang packs. I know and I am not fighting for OOo inclusion, just showing that we don't follow "make the most useful and shiny apps available" logic already. Matěj ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:26:17 +0300 From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A7AF619.6020407(a)nicubunu.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 08/06/2009 05:54 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > > I know and I am not fighting for OOo inclusion, just showing that we > don't follow "make the most useful and shiny apps available" logic > already. OOo is so big so it is an exception, is it or *several* other applications, making the choice easier. ....and it can be argued OOo is not "cool", is "useful", you do with it mostly boring stuff. It is also not integrated well in the desktop and so on. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list End of Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 **************************************************

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Dropping Gimp from the live cd
by Matthias Clasen 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

The live cd has a very hard time shrinking below 700M, and it is not going to get better when it switches to use a dracut initrd. One way to make sufficient room on the live cd would be to drop Gimp. This has been proposed independently, on the grounds that it is not a very good fit for the live cd audience anyway (where we probably at most need the occasional photo touch ups), and its UI is somewhat unconventional. There is probably not going to be any alternative to this step, due to the hard size limits, but I'd like to give people a chance to comment first, anyway. So, comments ? Matthias

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The default theme for F12
by Matthias Clasen 05 Aug '09

05 Aug '09

Hey all, we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ). We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go back to the upstream default, Clearlooks. Let me know what you think. I'd like to make this change for the alpha. Matthias

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Re: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Action Required)
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05 Aug '09

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help
by onkar mirajkar 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

Hi all, I am Onkar . I have recently completed my graduation in IT. I would like to help in coding for fedora. I am RHCE can some one sent me list of applications in which i can help. Please note that I have never done kernel programming, but I know C,Java,C++ very well. Thanks & regrads, Onkar

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Re: The default theme for F12
by Michal Nowak 03 Aug '09

03 Aug '09

----- "Matthias Clasen" <mclasen(a)redhat.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:35 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Matthias Clasen (mclasen(a)redhat.com) said: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > we've been discussing the idea of changing the default > GTK+/Metacity > > > theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it > seems to > > > undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ > ). > > > > > > We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is > to go > > > back to the upstream default, Clearlooks. > > > > Well, that would still be a visual change. Given that he's > restarting > > nodoka from scratch, that would leave the options as being either: > > - go to clearlooks > > - stay with the old nodoka version > > ? > > I see that I should have phrased this better... > > What I meant to covey is: we _do_ want some visual change, e.g. get > rid > of some small annoyances in the current default theme, such as the > dotted lines in treeviews. > > But as far as change goes, it is probably fine to keep it subtle > (like > going to Clearlooks) and not radical, like Lennart proposes (pick a > dark > default theme). > > > Also, would we be changing the icon set? > > I don't think think we have readily available options here. > gnome-colors > is popular and has a nice blue variant, but it is not packaged for > Fedora atm. > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562 Filled review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515280 Feel free to do the review. > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list

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(Asus, M51VA, touchpad) Asus M51VA+Fedora 10: Touchpad cannot be disabled
by Debarshi Ray 03 Aug '09

03 Aug '09

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/506215 I got this bug assigned to the gnome-build package and I am quite sure that it has got nothing to do with disabling of touchpads. To which package should I reassign this one? Or should I just close it? Cheerio, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig

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