Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Regarding icons using different perspective, it is much worse for any
> theme especially when new applications do not have icons that follow
> either guideline (Blender, KOffice, xsane, about-me, gFTP, etc.) .
I'm not quite groking this sentence. But at least for what
seems the majority of upstream GNOME apps these days, their
icons are based on the gnome-icon-theme/tango standards
which are flat or on the table perspectives.
In the case of third party apps like blender, firefox,
thunderbird, etc, the majority of these icons tend to again
be a flat perspective.
That an icon follows an isometric perspective also doesn't
mean it will follow the same isometric perspective as Echo.
Echo on my desktop faces away from me. Bluecurve is a bit
friendlier because it faces towards me. The two together,
while both isometric, do not match well at all wrt perspective.
Again, I believe the isometric perspective, at least for the
22x22 and 24x24 icons of echo has proven to be a very poor
choice in terms of cleanness/crispness, clarity, and
alignment to the pixel grid, issues of integrating with
other icons aside.
Máirín Duffy (duffy(a)fedoraproject.org) said:
> An isometric perspective is used for the
> panel-size icons which will make it nearly impossible to fit
> in with the many upstream application icons that tend to
> follow the gnome-icon-theme and tango guidelines by default
> these days. I think some tough decisions are going to be
> have to made about echo's perspective and how it affects its
> fitting in with other icon sets, which is going to be
Regarding this, we also have bluecurve icons still which are also
an isometric perspective, but a different one from Echo.
For Echo replacing these seems to be a ToDo later item
we stick with Mist, do we intend to fix these there?
Currently, the bluecurve icons that people see are:
- the OpenOffice app start icons
- Desktop Effects
- the anaconda pixmaps/icons
most of you probably know, but I'll write it again - Echo Icon Theme is
the default icon theme in F10 since Beta (for testing purposes and
exposition to wider audience) and I am one of the feature owners. The
change is rather small (in that it does not break things, replaces just
graphics, no code) but pretty much exposed. I'd like to make clear that
we are not going to go against general opinion and I deem it natural for
the Art (since it's art) and Desktop (since it's going to be default in
Gnome Desktop) Teams to decide whether we are ready or not.
Because of the nature of the change it is IMHO possible to make the
decision last minute (i.e. around the development freeze). What I'd like
to ask you now is the preferred way to decide upon it. Should we hold a
irc meeting, do a mail vote, set up a vote in the fedora voting system,
other way? I'd prefer the vote in the fedora voting system (opened for
Art and Desktop team members only), but if you think otherwise would be
better, don't hesitate to suggest.
I also think that about three or four days for the vote should be
enough, so I propose the voting dates to be set to
2008/10/23--2008/10/26. Is that OK with you?
Thanks for your comments,
I think if possible Compiz Fusion with Emerald theme manager should be added
to the fedora repository and it should be made available out of the box for
a better desktop user experience.
I'm working on some scripting that will attempt to make the Live images
each night, and show some output. Here is a first stab at what and
where one could find the output:
I'm no good with html, so when it comes time to script this up, I'll be
looking for some help to make this page a bit more useful, and also I'm
looking for input on what you'd like to see on these pages.
as an aside, we've got a snapshot due this Thursday/Friday and we're
still oversize. The durastic space saving changes (package removals)
were only done on the beta branch because we were hoping to fix things
with better deps/builds for later. Please see the above for what kind
of shape we're in.
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
The "About Fedora" menu item in the GNOME panel seems to be hard coded.
This is a problem for derivative distributions (including future
revisions of RHEL). It would be great it was tied to fedora-logos so
that it can be replaced/ rebranded easily. Thoughts?
probably not fedora-specific, but I'd like to deploy Fedora with some
local modifications to the default account setup. These would be
o keyboard indicator in the panel with specific predefined keyboard
o some more icons like the home Folder
o a default background (unless the user has already chosen one)
o turning the system off instead of loging out when pressing the power
o Make Ctrl-Alt-Del give a logout screen like many people are used
from another OS
o activating compiz by default (but allowing the user to turn it off)
o and maybe some more I forget about now
I hope I can somehow control this by some magic under /etc/gconf. I
understand that there is a way to mark some gconf entries as default
values that the user can still override. But the problem would be what
values these are. Could someone show me the direction? Thanks!
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net