Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been thinking about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Cheers, ~m
Is there a stated theme for F32? I'm generally always working on something, but I'm generally not thinking in terms of themes -- it's possible some of them could be modified to fit.
Nothing as I failed to find any follow-up from ticket #657 on pagure.io
Luya
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Gah! Thanks for bringing that up. Well, maybe we should be working on 32 & 33 at the same time 😱
~m
On February 20, 2020 8:24:32 PM EST, Luya Tshimbalanga tshimulu@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing as I failed to find any follow-up from ticket #657 on pagure.io
Luya
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I don't think gnokii sent out the naming / theme survey but I could have missed it on leave.
31 was Frennel I think, so 32 would have been a G scientist. Galileo comes to mind but we have so many space wallpapers. Gauss for Gaussian lol make things blurry. Jane Goodall (primatology) , Maria Goeppert-Mayer (physics), Stephen Jay Gould (evolution).
We could always take a look at what you've got cooking and see if there's any relation we can backtrapolate?
~m
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Maybe Erving Goffman ( sociologist ) or Max Gluckman ( anthropologist ) could make other alternatives ?
Raphaël
-------- Message d'origine -------- On 22 févr. 2020 à 16:01, Máirín Duffy a écrit :
I don't think gnokii sent out the naming / theme survey but I could have missed it on leave.
31 was Frennel I think, so 32 would have been a G scientist. Galileo comes to mind but we have so many space wallpapers. Gauss for Gaussian lol make things blurry. Jane Goodall (primatology) , Maria Goeppert-Mayer (physics), Stephen Jay Gould (evolution).
We could always take a look at what you've got cooking and see if there's any relation we can backtrapolate?
~m
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Is there a stated theme for F32? I'm generally always working on something, but I'm generally not thinking in terms of themes -- it's possible some of them could be modified to fit.
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I posted on the Pagure thread here one thing: https://pagure.io/design/issue/669
I also posted the relevant files (blender + gimp along with png).
I've got some other things that might be considered as well -- I'll try to upload those today to the pagure issue.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been thinking about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
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Hi folks,
I uploaded something here https://pagure.io/design/issue/669 that is the beginnings of something that could work. Remix away :)
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:11 AM Benson Muite benson_muite@emailplus.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been thinking about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:44 PM Marie Nordin mnordin@redhat.com wrote:
I uploaded something here https://pagure.io/design/issue/669 that is the beginnings of something that could work. Remix away :)
Checking in to see where we stand on backgrounds. This is a blocker[1] for F32 Beta, which is currently scheduled for 17 March. If there's something I can do to help gather resources or clear roadblocks, you know where to find me. :-)
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1807342
Is this for the supplemental backgrounds or for the main backgrounds?
I can start an election on Nuancier for supplemental backgrounds if there is still time.
Charles
On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 16:45 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:44 PM Marie Nordin mnordin@redhat.com wrote:
I uploaded something here https://pagure.io/design/issue/669 that is the beginnings of something that could work. Remix away :)
Checking in to see where we stand on backgrounds. This is a blocker[1] for F32 Beta, which is currently scheduled for 17 March. If there's something I can do to help gather resources or clear roadblocks, you know where to find me. :-)
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1807342
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That's for the main backgrounds. Supplemental were due Tue 2020-02-18 but aren't blocking. I don't know if an F33 schedule is available yet but we're trying to switch the process so the wallpapers are ready way ahead of time, so we're working on F33 right now too so I'd expect the wallpapers you and Zach get out of the process would be packaged for F33.
~m
Ar 3/3/20 4:37 PM, scríobh charles profitt:
Is this for the supplemental backgrounds or for the main backgrounds?
I can start an election on Nuancier for supplemental backgrounds if there is still time.
Charles
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:01 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@redhat.com wrote:
but aren't blocking. I don't know if an F33 schedule is available yet
It is! https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-design-tasks.html
Schedules through F36 are published and since FESCo has approved the basic schedule ad infinitum, I'll roll out new future schedules every so often. That said, if there are specific changes around wallpaper deadlines you want to make, I'm always happy to update the schedules to reflect that. (e.g I could remove the existing wallpaper milestones and add Fedora N+1 wallpaper milestones that happen 2 weeks before branch day or whatever).
When the team has a consensus on how that should look, I can change the schedule accordingly. I'm also happy to drop by a design team meeting sometime for a more interactive discussion.
For the supplementals? I don't know if we have time at this point :-/
~m
On February 21, 2020 12:10:11 AM EST, Benson Muite benson_muite@emailplus.org wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been
thinking
about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
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Hi all, it’s been a while
I can take a stab at something tonight when I get home from teaching. My kids have a competition but I should be back at a computer before late.
What kind of time do we need for supplementals? Do they need to be related to the defaults subject matter or can they just be breadth work? I have a photographer friend in Harrisburg that probably has some quality source photos for at least something
Cheers Zach
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:02 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
For the supplementals? I don't know if we have time at this point :-/
~m
On February 21, 2020 12:10:11 AM EST, Benson Muite < benson_muite@emailplus.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been thinking about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
Cheers, ~m
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There's no theme to the supplementals. We do have a SOP for it:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_manage_the_supplemental_wallpaper_proc...
Seem doable?
~m
On February 22, 2020 10:11:09 AM EST, Zachary Snyder sadin@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi all, it’s been a while
I can take a stab at something tonight when I get home from teaching. My kids have a competition but I should be back at a computer before late.
What kind of time do we need for supplementals? Do they need to be related to the defaults subject matter or can they just be breadth work? I have a photographer friend in Harrisburg that probably has some quality source photos for at least something
Cheers Zach
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:02 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
For the supplementals? I don't know if we have time at this point :-/
~m
On February 21, 2020 12:10:11 AM EST, Benson Muite < benson_muite@emailplus.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in
5
days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to
get
something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been
thinking
about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
Cheers, ~m
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Seems ok to me. I took a brief look at it, I’ll do a more In depth read when I get home later tonight. Would you like me to get this process started?
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:15 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
There's no theme to the supplementals. We do have a SOP for it:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_manage_the_supplemental_wallpaper_proc...
Seem doable?
~m
On February 22, 2020 10:11:09 AM EST, Zachary Snyder < sadin@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hi all, it’s been a while
I can take a stab at something tonight when I get home from teaching. My kids have a competition but I should be back at a computer before late.
What kind of time do we need for supplementals? Do they need to be related to the defaults subject matter or can they just be breadth work? I have a photographer friend in Harrisburg that probably has some quality source photos for at least something
Cheers Zach
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:02 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
For the supplementals? I don't know if we have time at this point :-/
~m
On February 21, 2020 12:10:11 AM EST, Benson Muite < benson_muite@emailplus.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 12:37 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hey,
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
Does anyone have any ideas or inspiration / things they've been thinking about that might be good fodder for a wallpaper design?
Will Nuancier be used?
Benson
Cheers, ~m
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
I'd really like to see the wallpaper targets move forward in the year, so we get a new wallpaper in Rawhide around when the branch happens. Since Rawhide already branched, would it be possible for the team to work on F32 and F33 wallpapers simultanously -- one to go into the release, and one to go into Rawhide?
Then, the next date would be August 11, when Rawhide becomes F34. That then puts the team way ahead of any release deadlines so it'll never feel like a rush.
Ar 2/25/20 1:45 PM, scríobh Matthew Miller:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 04:37:42PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
So we're pretty behind on the F32 wallpaper. The beta freeze is in 5 days and it's looking doubtful we'll make that. We should try to get something together for final.
I'd really like to see the wallpaper targets move forward in the year, so we get a new wallpaper in Rawhide around when the branch happens. Since Rawhide already branched, would it be possible for the team to work on F32 and F33 wallpapers simultanously -- one to go into the release, and one to go into Rawhide?
Then, the next date would be August 11, when Rawhide becomes F34. That then puts the team way ahead of any release deadlines so it'll never feel like a rush.
Yep, Luya brought up the ticket on that (https://pagure.io/design/issue/657) - I think we can do a twofer one now and try to get ahead.
~m
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 01:48:17PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Then, the next date would be August 11, when Rawhide becomes F34. That then puts the team way ahead of any release deadlines so it'll never feel like a rush.
Yep, Luya brought up the ticket on that (https://pagure.io/design/issue/657) - I think we can do a twofer one now and try to get ahead.
Awesome :)
The way this really ought to work is that we should have Rawhide-specific wallpaper in Rawhide that *never changes*. That wallpaper should never be used in a stable release and should be very obviously pre-release wallpaper. The wallpaper for each stable release should be added after branching. That makes things simpler; you don't have to keep changing things in Rawhide for no good reason and then merging the changes down to the branch for the release you actually need to change.
The criteria were specifically written a few years back to enable this plan: they are written such that for Beta we only require that the wallpaper not be the same as any previous stable release. This means a Beta could include the 'pre-release' wallpaper and that would be OK. The version-specific wallpaper only needs to be done and landed by *Final*, not by Beta. This was generally agreed to be a Good Idea at the time, which is why we revised the criteria that way, but no-one followed through and adjusted the packaging to match the plan...
Hi,
just to say something to this, no I did not send out the naming survey. One of the last things I did was share with Matt the docs in google as I prepare them in advance (yes Galileo was one of the options for F31) the F32 I did also share at this time, would have been easy to copy it to the own account and publish it.
@cproffit no you cant start one, you need 6 weeks at least for the process, when you open a process and publish it the community needs some days to recognize that, you will see part of the submission floats in early but a lot last moment. If you make it to short means lesser submissions and you also have to give more time for the voting, when you make it just 3 days a lot will write you a mail and complain (no kidding) so this must be at least a week or better 1.5 in time, and Luya even he is fast with packaging he needs some time to, so the whole process takes a few months to do!
@adamwill this is all fine but this requirements are written from developers without any thinking on the design and marketing teams. For what you need beta? You want to have your software tested? Whatfor as the wallpaper needs not to be tested, well looking back in the history we had several times we needed changes as we had issues with them, so we like to have the change to get it tested to. And marketing should speak up against this to, just look some youtube shows when they test versions, the wallpaper gets always noted, you have to give them something to play with and create "news".
@mattdm no problem to move things "forward" but as it should be clear visible now, all this here depends on a few people, Mo and me not available for a time the system breaks, nobody has an eye on the schedule. All in all we struggle with all the work for a long time now, when it comes to the theming you see it when I dont do it nobody does but this is for all the reminder "he we have to work on this" I really would like to get rid of this using google drive provisional thing (which some reject anyway) so that somebody else could do if I cant (and also give the community a chance to contribute on this, there is a demand for) All in all just to move ahead in the creation will not solve the issue we have
br gnokii
Am Di., 10. März 2020 um 08:20 Uhr schrieb Adam Williamson < adamwill@fedoraproject.org>:
The way this really ought to work is that we should have Rawhide-specific wallpaper in Rawhide that *never changes*. That wallpaper should never be used in a stable release and should be very obviously pre-release wallpaper. The wallpaper for each stable release should be added after branching. That makes things simpler; you don't have to keep changing things in Rawhide for no good reason and then merging the changes down to the branch for the release you actually need to change.
The criteria were specifically written a few years back to enable this plan: they are written such that for Beta we only require that the wallpaper not be the same as any previous stable release. This means a Beta could include the 'pre-release' wallpaper and that would be OK. The version-specific wallpaper only needs to be done and landed by *Final*, not by Beta. This was generally agreed to be a Good Idea at the time, which is why we revised the criteria that way, but no-one followed through and adjusted the packaging to match the plan... -- adamw (not usual sig as replying via hyperkitty) _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list -- design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to design-team-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team@lists.fedoraprojec...
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