Thanks greg for clarifying things up. At this point it's best just to go with whatever Maria Leandro and the rest have in store for you guys. Fact of the matter is there was no lack of communication whatsoever, this took place on irc, Maria saw it, so did the Kemter see it what exactly we discussed. But I think they know more than I do in the grand scheme of things so let them go ahead with the original kemter's idea and soon enough cobbler should have a nice logo.