I didn't know a word about these problems.  It's a shame, I could have helped if I knew, I had the time and the internet freely available (and with a reasonable speed).
If I can do anything, let me know, I'll be glad to help.


On 24 October 2017 at 08:14, <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de> wrote:

Am 24.10.2017 um 12:15 schrieb Jan Kurik:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM,  <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de> wrote:

Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a
Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live for
several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26
Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for the
download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the
months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it.

Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is
stable to use.

Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing
this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I
spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is
spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means
down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an
API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to do
it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting one,
they are done manually. So more work.

So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and
accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in
public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted
again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his accusations
as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So with
other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right.

With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper
for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look

The point is the process starts before the version before it gets released,
with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not just
simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful there
is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize it.
So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We
tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of people
complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you
have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very good
job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to give
him to.

So it was quiet short to do this time.

And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles,
that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its
contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a different
way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just yearly
for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed
Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have
pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27
supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your
proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need
for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta
release, these phases needs to be in time ?

as I said under 6 weeks submission phase makes no sense better 8 weeks. Currently the voting phase starts automatically after the submission period is closed. But the was a feature request of mine to give a break in between. We had during last releases some who could not be moderated in as they submitted last moment. Amongst them the guy, who complained several times I have not moderated it for personal reasons (well what to say, we had a discussion with him before and he was not denied to do another submission, it just took him nearly 3 weeks to do it but later on he expected to have it moderated in just hours, even ignoring that I living with 13hrs time difference to him, so lay in the bed when he submits and I surly have other things to do after waking up as moderating his submission)

I also said we need 2 weeks for the voting phase as we got a lot of complaints that one week was to short. Plus one week for the packaging.

8 weeks +3days + 2 weeks +1week

so it comes down to 12 weeks on the end in minimum. You have to see that the day for the opening of the phases is a bit important, has something to do with the cycle news have. An example close the voting on friday is not a good day, as it brings the anouncement of the winners to saturday, a bad day for news. Same for opening it, its best opened on a monday where a lot people seem to read news.
So 12 week is what we have but there is no backup time

but on the end it comes to tough 12 weeks, the only way to extend is doing the start of the submission phase already before the version before is released itself but if this is a good idea so far I am not convinced

It helps me to do a better
job the next time, if possible.

you do a good job but on the end, I always ignored your schedule, if we look back you always wanted the package ready for Alpha, which I ignored as not doable.

br gnokii


So that just to give some information.

For the link, yes its nearly the actual process just some minor things are
missing, like make the badges tickets, which have to be created before, but
its pretty much it.

br gnokii

Am 24.10.2017 um 05:19 schrieb charles profitt:

On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 08:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

Hi Charles!

On 10/22/2017 03:07 PM, charles profitt wrote:

I noticed that there has not been a call for supplemental
for F27. I did not know if this was by design or due to no one
available to take care of the process.

If it is the latter, I would be willing to take on the process if
someone is able to teach me what is required.

Traditionally, gnokii runs this process but he has poor internet as
of late making it rather challenging.

It's too late for F27, but if you'd like to manage the process for
F28, you are more than welcome.

I am sure gnokii has a lot of advice & guidance - we do have a HOWTO
on managing the process, but I don't know if it's up-to-date with



I will take a look at the process. In the next few days. I will reach
out to gnokii if I have any questions. I was most nervous about how to
setup nuancier to accept submissions and then not sure how the winners
were packaged. I have zero packaging experience.

Thanks for the link.


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