Hi,
Am 24.10.2017 um 12:15 schrieb Jan Kurik:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM,
<buergermeister(a)karl-tux-stadt.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a
> Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live for
> several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26
> Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for the
> download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the
> months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it.
>
> Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is
> stable to use.
>
> Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing
> this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I
> spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is
> spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means
> down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an
> API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to do
> it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting one,
> they are done manually. So more work.
>
> So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and
> accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in
> public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted
> again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his accusations
> as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So with
> other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right.
>
> With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper
> for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look
>
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-tasks.html
>
> The point is the process starts before the version before it gets released,
> with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not just
> simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful there
> is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize it.
> So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We
> tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of people
> complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you
> have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very good
> job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to give
> him to.
>
> So it was quiet short to do this time.
>
> And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles,
> that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its
> contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a different
> way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just yearly
> for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed
> again.
Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have
pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27
supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your
proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need
for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta
release, these phases needs to be in time ?
as I said under 6 weeks submission phase makes no sense better 8 weeks.
Currently the voting phase starts automatically after the submission
period is closed. But the was a feature request of mine to give a break
in between. We had during last releases some who could not be moderated
in as they submitted last moment. Amongst them the guy, who complained
several times I have not moderated it for personal reasons (well what to
say, we had a discussion with him before and he was not denied to do
another submission, it just took him nearly 3 weeks to do it but later
on he expected to have it moderated in just hours, even ignoring that I
living with 13hrs time difference to him, so lay in the bed when he
submits and I surly have other things to do after waking up as
moderating his submission)
I also said we need 2 weeks for the voting phase as we got a lot of
complaints that one week was to short. Plus one week for the packaging.
8 weeks +3days + 2 weeks +1week
so it comes down to 12 weeks on the end in minimum. You have to see that
the day for the opening of the phases is a bit important, has something
to do with the cycle news have. An example close the voting on friday is
not a good day, as it brings the anouncement of the winners to saturday,
a bad day for news. Same for opening it, its best opened on a monday
where a lot people seem to read news.
So 12 week is what we have but there is no backup time
but on the end it comes to tough 12 weeks, the only way to extend is
doing the start of the submission phase already before the version
before is released itself but if this is a good idea so far I am not
convinced
It helps me to do a better
job the next time, if possible.
you do a good job but on the end, I always ignored your schedule, if we
look back you always wanted the package ready for Alpha, which I ignored
as not doable.
br gnokii
Jan
> So that just to give some information.
>
> For the link, yes its nearly the actual process just some minor things are
> missing, like make the badges tickets, which have to be created before, but
> its pretty much it.
>
> br gnokii
>
>
> Am 24.10.2017 um 05:19 schrieb charles profitt:
>
> On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 08:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> Hi Charles!
>
> On 10/22/2017 03:07 PM, charles profitt wrote:
>
> I noticed that there has not been a call for supplemental
> wallpapers
> for F27. I did not know if this was by design or due to no one
> being
> available to take care of the process.
>
> If it is the latter, I would be willing to take on the process if
> someone is able to teach me what is required.
>
> Traditionally, gnokii runs this process but he has poor internet as
> of late making it rather challenging.
>
> It's too late for F27, but if you'd like to manage the process for
> F28, you are more than welcome.
>
> I am sure gnokii has a lot of advice & guidance - we do have a HOWTO
> on managing the process, but I don't know if it's up-to-date with
> gnokii's
> method:
>
>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_manage_the_supplemental_wallpape
> r_process
>
> Cheers,
> ~m
>
> I will take a look at the process. In the next few days. I will reach
> out to gnokii if I have any questions. I was most nervous about how to
> setup nuancier to accept submissions and then not sure how the winners
> were packaged. I have zero packaging experience.
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
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