On 06/18/2009 11:30 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Actual proposal from them sounds like:
We have selected our codename for future Fedora release and our design team
prepare artwork (or mockups, depends on time), upstream joins this effort and
they combine our theme with their current theme (so now it's Leonidas and Air
= Airy Leonidas :D) to match together.
<sarcastic>This is a good thing, we can give an initial concept and
forget about theming, leave the KDE guys to the job so we can play with
our personal pet projects: picture books, comics, games and so on. And
we won't have to pay a dime for that, someone will put many hours in
doing this work and at a high quality level.</sarcasm>
Sarcasm aside, consider the F11 case, when the graphics were changed,
due to the received feedback, so late in the development cycle (Beta),
can you see how that would cope with such joint effort? I think they
would pretty much drop the ball, for not having enough time and manpower
Or the F10 case, when we were not able to reach a consensus and had tu
just select a final theme *extremely* late in the devel cycle.
What does it mean for us?
Visually consistent and rich desktop environments with strong brand feeling
for both upstream and downstream.
I am afraid it is more like each our spins to have its own visual identity.
What we have to/should do?
We need our artwork as soon as possible and after F11 process I think we
should reconsider design strategy. I know where the problem was, from Mairín's
comments in my blog post. We should do our best to avoid it for future
releases. Of course - it means lot of communication and you know...
As soon as possible: we don't have that much time from one point
(codename) to the next (alpha release) and the supposedly final one (beta).
Only for KDE and Fedora?
No, OpenSuse, (K)Ubuntu already accepted this offer, I'm not sure if Gnome is
planning anything similar. This is really in beginnings and maybe some IRC
meeting with all interested parties would be useful.
AFAIK, neither GNOME, XFCE or LXDE have such plans.
I think it's a nice idea, sounds great (even I'm not Apple
fan :D) and it can
be considered by other DE's teams (upstream/downstream) either. All sides
could gain profit from it. So what do you think about it?
I think the solution is so much simpler and natural: if any upstream KDE
designer is truly interested and concerned about Fedora, they can join
this mailing list and get himself involved in the process from the
earliest stages, right from the concept and help drive the design either
with active development or with feedback.
There are a number of upstream GNOME designers (hello andreasn!) here on
list and on IRC intervening when hey feel is needed.
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/