On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Mark Little mlittle@redhat.com wrote:
Bill's on vacation this week so he may have a different perspective, but I don't have a problem with the statement as it's made, i.e., Red Hat having a permanent position on the board. I've been involved with standards for 20+ years through OMG, OASIS, W3C, WS-I, GGF, JCP and others. What's proposed in the whole effort around REST-* is far less Evil Empire and far more Benign Coordinator. If we have problems with the approach in the future of course we can re-examine it, but at this stage I think it's fine.
Ok so let me put it another way: you don't see a problem with a provider of services covered by standards bestowing themselves a privileged position in the standards setting organisation? I certainly do. This isn't (or at least need not be) the DMTF or WS-I or indeed any traditional organisation complete with arcane rules, preferential votes, founding fathers, etc. In any case I'm sure the others all consider themselves "benign coordinators" too. The most successful standards these days by far (think OpenID, OAuth, WHAT WG's take on HTML5) come from loose-knit communities of equals.
At the end of the day it's your show and you can run it how you like, but with policies like this it will likely remain your show as I can't imagine others in the cloud space (like Canonical) signing up for it. VMware may be able to lead its competitors by the nose but with an effective monopoly in the [on-premises] virtualisation space that's hardly surprising - I don't see anyone else having that kind of control in the cloud space.
Sam
On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Sam Johnston wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:20 PM, David Lutterkort lutter@redhat.comwrote:
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 18:28 -0400, Bob McWhirter wrote:
I personally think that we might want to leverage the community that'll also be building around REST-* (http://jboss.org/reststar). There, the intent it to build RESTful APIs (but not necessarily implementations) for things like messaging, transactions, and storage.
Very cool; the world will definitely be a better place with agreement on API's in those areas.
This all sounds very similar to my vision for OGF's OCCIhttp://www.occi-wg.org/ and is exactly why I've split off core from infrastructure concerns - it definitely sounds like we should be collaborating more in future.
FWIW REST-* sounds like something I could get behind but to be completely candid (as always) I'm disappointed to see similar governancehttp://www.jboss.org/reststar/community/governance.htmlshenanigans to those that undermined the WS-I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Services_Interoperability: "*Red Hat, as the founder of REST-*, gets a permanent seat on the board. All other board members must be elected by the overall membership once a year*". If it's not too late then please reconsider this position.
Sam
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