Hi all,
We are planning to run a FAD in the Chinese community to promote Fedora packaging. We have the idea for quite some time, yet recently decided the time & location and made a rough budget. The relevant info is on the wiki page [1]. Please review and let us know whether it is time to create a ticket on the council trac. Thanks.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
Regards, Alick
Any comments?
2015-05-15 0:09 GMT+08:00 Alick Zhao alick9188@gmail.com:
Hi all,
We are planning to run a FAD in the Chinese community to promote Fedora packaging. We have the idea for quite some time, yet recently decided the time & location and made a rough budget. The relevant info is on the wiki page [1]. Please review and let us know whether it is time to create a ticket on the council trac. Thanks.
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_FAD_China_2015
Regards, Alick
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 06:20:27PM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
Any comments?
Hi Alick! Can you expand on the impact section a little bit? How many new contributors and packagers do we expect as a direct result of this FAD?
On 05/18/2015 05:55 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 06:20:27PM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
Any comments?
Hi Alick! Can you expand on the impact section a little bit? How many new contributors and packagers do we expect as a direct result of this FAD?
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a good estimate though.
I have reflected my guess on the wiki page.
Regards,
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Would you be able to write a Fedora Magazine article about the Fedora community in Shanghai as a followup to the FAD?
On 05/19/2015 03:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member, but it would be good to ensure there are existing packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
~tom
== Red Hat
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member,
Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
but it would be good to ensure there are existing
packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin Lee has these packages: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/.
Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member,
Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
but it would be good to ensure there are existing
packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin Lee has these packages: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/.
Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
I think Tom makes an excellent point. Without at least one sponsor or at least provenpackager involved, I'm not sure this is going to be a positive experience for the participants. If people go to this event and cannot actually get their pet package added to Fedora as a result of participating, then they're going to be soured on the process.
Now, an obvious follow-up question is whether we think there would be a sufficient return on investment to send one of the sponsors to this FAD (and whether to expend time and effort locating someone willing to go).
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/packager/*/spons or is a list of the current sponsors, and of course we could email the sponsors list looking for volunteers (preferably locally).
On 05/20/2015 04:03 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 03:43:46PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Not a council member,
Thanks -- didn't mean that to be exclusive.
but it would be good to ensure there are existing
packagers (possibly even sponsors) present for this.
Of the of the people listed as going on the FAD page, at least Robin Lee has these packages: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packager/cheeselee/.
Having a sponsor on hand does seem like it'd increase success.
Yeah, Robin Lee recently confirmed he should be able to join. In fact the original idea of this FAD is to bring together all active Fedora packagers in China and grow the packaging group.
I think Tom makes an excellent point. Without at least one sponsor or at least provenpackager involved, I'm not sure this is going to be a positive experience for the participants. If people go to this event and cannot actually get their pet package added to Fedora as a result of participating, then they're going to be soured on the process.
Now, an obvious follow-up question is whether we think there would be a sufficient return on investment to send one of the sponsors to this FAD (and whether to expend time and effort locating someone willing to go).
About the suitable people, we locate them in previous events (release parties, FADs, and FUDCon). Then this time we invite them to join the event and help to make it run as planned.
About the investment return, I feel I cannot say much. It will always be an issue with the cost to bring together the suitable people, since the country is large and the contributor base is relatively small and they spread across the country. We cannot help much with the fact, but we try to bring down the cost a little bit. For example, this time through cooperation with Shanghai LUG, the venue is free of charge to us. We also make swags reusable during multiple events.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/packager/*/spons or is a list of the current sponsors, and of course we could email the sponsors list looking for volunteers (preferably locally).
Regards,
Hi all,
We decided to put off the event since there was limited time for council discussion and event preparation. So please share further comments if you have.
Regards,
On 05/20/2015 03:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:50:11AM +0800, Alick Zhao wrote:
It is a bit hard to predict, especially since we have few experiences of doing Fedora events in Shanghai, and no prior experience of FAD in China focusing on packaging. For now I'd say I expect three more new packaging contributors and ten more packages in the repo. Not sure if it is a good estimate though.
On the one hand, that's not huge, but on the other hand, growing new long-term contributors and community members is hard to put a price on and your total requested budget is not huge. How about we add a third impact, like "gain experience for future Fedora events in China", and make this a testbed -- learn how it went, if we can have an even bigger impact next time, and so on?
Yeah, That is a good idea! Will add it to the wiki soon.
Other council members, what're your thoughts on this one?
Would you be able to write a Fedora Magazine article about the Fedora community in Shanghai as a followup to the FAD?
Should be no problem. We ambassadors need to write an event report to get reimbursed, and putting it on Fedora Magazine increases its visibility.
Regards,
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