On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:48 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:11 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> What I'm more concerned about is that if you eliminate Fedora from any
> meaningful server based development, you strip all the opportunities
> for people to iterate on server-oriented changes before they go into
> rhel-rawhide and push into CentOS Stream. You also essentially kneecap
> any motivation for other things related to server environments to
> iterate faster (such as language stacks that are heavily used for web
> service software) because you've eliminated the major ability for that
> to ship to users and contributors. It also further accelerates a trend
> that I think we need to reverse where people consider Fedora
> unacceptable for server roles. If anything, Fedora is a lot better at
> being used for servers then it was five years ago. I've personally
> *stopped* using CentOS for servers because Fedora has gotten so good
> at it. Upgrades are a breeze and stuff generally works. When it
> doesn't, it's fixable! That last part is key. With CentOS, it's not,
> because it has to bounce back into Red Hat first. And Red Hat doesn't
> really care about issues discovered by CentOS users, and there are no
> "CentOS developers".
>
>
> So, what this long email is actually saying is that I think it's an
> interesting idea to bring the two projects together, but eliminating
> aspects of Fedora in favor of CentOS is premature because CentOS has
> not actually developed as a community project. Maybe it's worth
> revisiting after six years of actual community development?
I don't think Matthew suggested that we'd stop development of server
technologies in Fedora. I think he was saying that we'd drop the
"Fedora Server Edition" as a user-targeted deliverable. This is an
important distinction. We'd instead focus on server technology
development atop the container and Fedora Cloud Edition use-cases.
Today's Cloud Edition is mostly a further stripped down Server Edition
variant with different words in the branding. It's our deliverable for
clouds like AWS and cloud-like VPSes like DigitalOcean.
However, Fedora Server Edition is what people use to run their
*own* servers with Fedora, and that also includes things like VMs in
more traditional hypervisor setups (oVirt/RHV, VMware,
XCP-ng/XenServer, etc.).
The key difference between Server and Cloud Edition is the usage of
Anaconda to install Fedora. I'm pretty sure we still want to be
continually validating *that* works, especially since it's a different
codepath in Anaconda from the desktop flavors.
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