On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 05:05:25PM -0500, Chris Punches wrote:
My goodness, Matthew, please accept my sincere apology for
I swear it said Discord the first time I read it.
I'll adjust my picket signs accordingly :)
Still, though, these platforms need to be more established. I really
hope the interface points with the public are managed more
conservatively going forward with some effort at continuity with other
communities, but still guarded against whatever is going on across the
I think this is a valid point, but not something that should block
adopting somethingnew. One point to remember is that these changes
are not mandates for all projects within Fedora. There is solid
evidence that Council engagement with the community is difficult given
current tools. I think the new tools here makes sense for the
Council. That probably also means the types of users each sub-project
of Fedora is engaging with are different. And that's fine.
One thing I like about Matrix is the bridge with IRC. This makes it
easier to engage with those users already on IRC but also removes the
hurdle for new users who are unfamiliar with IRC. If Matrix goes away
it goes away, but like you said...technologies like IRC will likely
remain and I forsee whatever replaces Matrix as continuing to offer an
IRC bridge simply because that expectation will remain.
On Mon, 2020-11-09 at 17:01 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 04:55:34PM -0500, Chris Punches wrote:
> > When these platforms fail, and they will eventually, IRC and
> > mailing
> > lists will still be here, but, the contact interfaces for those
> > foss
> > communities will have been moved around and back, thereby
> > introducing
> > an instability to those organizations.
> Things change. That's always a risk.
> > Discord's not even an open source platform.
> We are not considering Discord.
> > And the rush to the decision. Is this decision influenced by IBM?
> There's no rush. I've talked about it before.
> Why do you imagine it would be influenced by IBM? I mean, I'll just
> ahead and spell it out explicitly: of course it is not.
> Matthew Miller
> Fedora Project Leader
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