On 09.06.2015 08:33, Teppo Turtiainen wrote:
I don't know if this is the right place to raise this but this new
design feels like a step backwards. What used to be a beautiful and
clear design is now much more confusing and complicated:
I'll assume you're talking about the old design in cockpit 0.27 here ...
and comparing it to cockpit 0.55 (or thereabouts)?
Unfortunately the old design would have collapsed with the new
components and dashboards that people are working on. It simply did not
scale. So we had to change it ... but I hope we can continue to refine
the design going forward and fix the remaining nagging issues.
* Controls for switching between the views used to run horizontally
the top navbar, now they run both horizontally in the navbar and
vertically in the sidebar. It's not clear to me what the division of
labour between the top navbar and the sidebar is.
The items in the sidebar are for a single machine. The tabs in the top
bar (most of which are still not present) are for views of multiple
Everyone is adding more and more new components which put themselves in
the navigation. Having everything be a top level item across the top was
just not scaleable and had to change.
* The sidebar is sometimes visible and sometimes not. It's not
in the Dashboard but is visible everywhere else. This makes the UI
It's showing you different content when the (per-machine) sidebar is
visible. No single view jumps between the two states.
We *did* have an interim design in cockpit versions around 0.30 where
you could show and hide the sidebar, and that was extremely jumpy and
hard to use.
* The sidebar has an expander (Tools) despite having oodles of space
and the top navbar is now mostly empty. There is a huge amount of empty
space in both.
Yeah, we should probably fix that. We could have it expanded by default
when there's enough space.
* The System view has controls (Host Name, Domain, System Time and
Power Options) and graphs (CPU, Memory, Network Traffic, Disk I/O) side
by side in two columns. (With the sidebar, resulting in a three column
layout.) There is a large empty space below the controls and the graphs
don't fit into view at once on a 1920x1080 display and so there is a
Yes, this page needs some work. It does try to lay itself out into
available space, but seems to fall over while doing it. But it used to
do the exact same thing in the old design too.
* The Dashboard view only shows one graph at a time and seems mostly
useless now. This seems to be acknowledged by having the System view
(instead of the Dashboard) as default after logging in.
If you only have one server on your dashboard, then we show you that
server immediately after logging in. This was a very common complaint
with the old design in Cockpit 0.27 ... that after you log in you were
taken to a mostly blank page which contained just the server name and a
Would it be possible to come up with a design that ditches the
and returns the controls for switching between the views to the top
I think we can work to continue to refine what we have. Like I said we
have some hard requirements that put limitations on the design, but we
can do better even within those limitations.
On 03.03.2015 12:44, Stef Walter wrote:
> After a lot of work, we merged new navigation into Cockpit today.
> clearly separates dashboards from per-host configuration.
> If you're tracking git master, you need to reinstall and restart
> More info:
> Some follow up work that still needs to be done:
> This will be part of Cockpit 0.41
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