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========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting ==========================================

Meeting started by samkottler at 17:01:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeting-... .

Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (samkottler, 17:02:08)

* next steps for the PRD (samkottler, 17:05:26) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD for those who don't have the link (samkottler, 17:06:19) * AGREED: Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year (tentatively, Wednesday Jan, 8) (number80, 17:27:42) * ACTION: jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details (jzb, 17:28:08) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document (samkottler, 17:31:43)

* open floor (samkottler, 17:40:05)

Meeting ended at 17:49:49 UTC.

Action Items ------------ * jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details

Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jzb * jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)

People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * samkottler (55) * jzb (36) * number80 (30) * sgallagh (11) * mattdm (5) * zodbot (5) * geppetto (1) * rbergeron (0)

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17:01:13 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting 17:01:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 18 17:01:13 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:13 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:29 <number80> just in time :o) 17:01:56 <samkottler> #chair number80 geppetto rbergeron jzb 17:01:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:02:08 <samkottler> #topic rollcall 17:02:22 * samkottler waves 17:02:39 * jzb says howdy 17:02:42 * sgallagh lurks. Ping me directly if you want to discuss interaction with Server. 17:03:12 <samkottler> sgallagh: if you've got more stuff that you'd like us to solidify today we can talk about it during the open floor 17:03:31 * geppetto is here 17:03:45 <sgallagh> samkottler: Nothing in particular. I'm just idling in here so if questions come up, I can answer them. 17:03:57 <samkottler> sgallagh: okay perfect, thanks! 17:05:26 <samkottler> #topic next steps for the PRD 17:05:51 <samkottler> I think we should spend the majority of the meeting working on PRD structure 17:05:57 <number80> +1 17:06:19 <samkottler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD for those who don't have the link 17:07:38 <samkottler> so I think it makes sense to split out the bottom into two sections 17:07:43 <samkottler> which we talked a bit about last week 17:07:49 <samkottler> but it'd be good to finalize that 17:08:21 <samkottler> I was gonna move maintainability, support requirements, security, and release criteria to their own sections 17:08:23 <samkottler> #chair mattdm 17:08:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:08:25 <mattdm> hi all sorry -- I am stuck in a (still ongoing) IRL meeting 17:08:52 <samkottler> mattdm: NP, we're just talking about the PRD 17:08:54 <mattdm> and people are asking questions and talking to me and stuff so I can't just ignore that :) please ping me if needed 17:09:09 <jzb> samkottler: +1 to move 17:11:11 <number80> +1 for moving stuff 17:12:42 <number80> btw, are we bypassing the quorum since today we're currently 3 (+ one stuck at a IRL meeting) 17:12:46 <number80> ? 17:12:58 <samkottler> number80: yeah, I don't think we have anything that really needs voting luckily 17:13:04 <number80> ok 17:14:41 <samkottler> alright so I split things out into "general" and "technical" requirements 17:14:55 <samkottler> I'll clean up that section in not-real-time 17:16:41 <samkottler> number80: jzb: one other thing I wanted to touch base on was how specific stuff like image building should be in the document 17:17:01 <samkottler> I kinda think it should say 'we provide tools and processes for rebuilds' without actually providing more details 17:17:07 <number80> +1 17:17:21 <number80> implementation details are not to be in the PRD 17:17:30 <jzb> samkottler: yeah, I think we should point to a page on the wiki for that. 17:17:41 <jzb> samkottler: but basically, that's going to be a changeable thing 17:17:45 <samkottler> agreed 17:17:57 <samkottler> it's just a matter of whether or not that page will exist before we submit the PRD 17:18:17 <number80> +1 for the url (even if it says at the moment, that this is a work in progress) 17:19:49 <jzb> samkottler: a stub should be OK, I think 17:19:56 <jzb> samkottler: though I'd add that to release criteria 17:20:29 <samkottler> those are the major things I've got around the PRD 17:20:35 <samkottler> there's a lot more work to be done 17:21:18 <jzb> samkottler: what's the for-real deadline again? 17:21:52 <samkottler> jzb: I believe it's jan 15th? sgallagh ^^ 17:22:15 * sgallagh double-checks, but that sounds right 17:23:15 <sgallagh> samkottler: 2014-01-13 17:23:37 <samkottler> sgallagh: thanks 17:23:48 <number80> from december, 24 to january,2 i don't expect any work done on the PRD so we should finish it at the beginning of next week 17:23:50 <samkottler> jzb: I'm planning on working on it a bunch next week 17:24:06 <jzb> samkottler: ... over the holiday? 17:24:17 <samkottler> jzb: yeah, post-xmas I'll be working on stuff 17:24:51 <jzb> samkottler: Hmmm. I will see what I can chip in on, but I don't want to make any promises about working over the break 17:25:24 <samkottler> no pressure, of course 17:25:33 <jzb> samkottler: I suggest we maybe look at scheduling a PRD hackfest beginning of the year 17:25:34 <samkottler> I just haven't done enough on the PRD yet so I'm gonna work a day or so on it 17:25:38 <mattdm> +1 hackfest 17:25:41 <number80> i'll try advancing on personas and proof-reading stuff 17:25:45 <samkottler> +1 let's do it 17:25:53 <number80> +1 hackfest 17:25:58 <samkottler> jzb: wanna send an email to set the date? 17:26:21 <jzb> samkottler: yep. Tentatively, the Wednesday (Jan 8) sound good? 17:26:31 <samkottler> WFM 17:26:40 <jzb> (everybody? mattdm, number80?) ^^ 17:26:42 <number80> #agreed Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year (tentatively, Wednesdat Jan, 8) 17:26:44 <samkottler> timezones will surely be a joy 17:26:53 <number80> +1 for Jan, 8 btw 17:26:55 <mattdm> wfm 17:27:02 <jzb> indeed 17:27:35 <number80> #undo 17:27:35 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x40e8290> 17:27:42 <number80> #agreed Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year (tentatively, Wednesday Jan, 8) 17:28:08 <jzb> #action jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details 17:28:44 <jzb> sgallagh: how goes the server wg PRD? 17:29:23 <sgallagh> jzb: I think we finally finished defining our users yesterday. 17:29:46 <sgallagh> What remains is approving our target use-cases and the criteria for a server role being promoted to "featured" status. 17:29:57 <sgallagh> So we're probably going to cut the delivery date close. 17:31:27 <number80> sgallagh: a link ? 17:31:43 <samkottler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document 17:31:50 <number80> thank you 17:31:57 <jzb> sgallagh: we're going to do a hackfest for ours on (probably) the 8th 17:31:58 <sgallagh> number80: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Server/Product_Requirements_Docu... 17:32:12 <jzb> sgallagh: might make sense to join forces or do something similar at the same time? 17:32:21 <sgallagh> jzb: Probably a good idea. 17:32:24 <jzb> so if we have cross-wg questions we could address them 17:32:43 <jzb> sgallagh: I'll shoot a note to the server list too 17:32:58 <sgallagh> number80: Not a lot there yet. It's just a first pass. 17:33:17 <number80> yeah, but it's worth to take a peek :) 17:33:21 * sgallagh nods 17:35:31 <number80> anything else ? 17:36:08 <samkottler> that's all I've got 17:36:20 <number80> ok 17:36:44 <number80> maybe we could move to the open floor ? 17:36:50 <samkottler> what's the name of that open-souce video/note conferencing tool that fedora infra runs? 17:36:58 <samkottler> it'd be cool to get that working for the hackfest 17:38:06 <number80> If there's one, it's not listed there: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/ 17:38:06 <jzb> samkottler: we have a video/note tool? 17:39:11 <samkottler> I forget what it's call, but we used it for the infrastructure hackathon 17:40:01 <samkottler> anyways... 17:40:05 <samkottler> #topic open floor 17:40:36 <number80> are there any WG members at the FOSDEM in Brussels ? 17:40:44 <jzb> number80: I'm going 17:40:47 * samkottler will be 17:41:01 <samkottler> mattdm: you going to fosdem? 17:41:02 <number80> maybe we should schedule an IRL meeting (i'm going too) 17:41:12 <jzb> oh, that reminds me 17:41:15 <jzb> so, the week before that 17:41:24 <jzb> there's Monkigras in London 17:41:37 <jzb> and the day before that, we're pulling together a "Cloud Summit" 17:41:44 <mattdm> samkottler yes I am 17:41:54 <number80> samkottler: nirik is suggesting that you're talking about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby 17:42:05 <number80> \o/ 17:42:08 <samkottler> number80: yep, that's it 17:42:38 <number80> ok, i was confused by the video part but +1 for using it 17:42:41 * samkottler is going to be in paris/london/germany from tomorrow until Jan 30 17:42:43 <samkottler> and then on to fosdem 17:43:42 <jzb> samkottler: you should grab a ticket for Monkigras and plan on being at the cloud summit 17:44:29 <number80> ok, since we might have half of the WG (Robyn might come too), i really insist on having a IRL meeting :) 17:44:32 <samkottler> oh it's in shoreditch, that's easy 17:45:02 <number80> maybe it's worth inviting other WG for an inter-WG session too 17:45:10 <jzb> samkottler: http://monkigras.com/buy/ 17:45:35 <samkottler> jzb: done 17:45:50 <jzb> samkottler: the beer is excellent 17:45:52 <samkottler> anyone got other stuff? 17:46:07 <jzb> samkottler: just a suggestion 17:46:20 <samkottler> number80: yeah that sounds good - there'll be lots of folks there so I imagine we'll have pretty good coverage from each WG 17:46:33 <jzb> samkottler: with F20 out, it'd be great to see some Howtos using cloud images. 17:46:53 <jzb> samkottler: I do have a project or two I'm going to try over the holiday that I hope to get a good writeup from. 17:47:13 <jzb> and I can probably get any features/howtos published on Linux.com if anyone wants to write one. 17:47:15 <jzb> (other than me) 17:47:22 <samkottler> jzb: what do you think about a blog post or two about docker w/ f20 17:47:32 <jzb> samkottler: that'd be excellent 17:47:49 <samkottler> cool, I'll try to hammer that out on my flight tomorrow 17:48:07 <jzb> woot 17:48:17 <jzb> that's all I've got, except to wish everyone a happy holiday 17:48:59 * samkottler hopes everyone gets some rest 17:49:14 <samkottler> oh also: no meeting next week 17:49:49 <samkottler> #endmeeting