Yeah - that bothered me too. But I think Atomic is so young and the competitive environment is so fluid right now that I'm willing to do some digging. Now that the release is out there needs to be a focus on *practical* use cases for the cloud products, preferably with solid "reference accounts" / testimonials. We need people who are building containerized applications on the Fedora Docker image, for example.

I ran Atomic under Virtual Machine Manager on my workstation to test it - I verified that my (Ubuntu-based) Overview Project builds ran with an Atomic host. But would I *develop* the builds that way? Hell, no! I'd install docker-io on my F21 Workstation to do that!

One other note - while we're talking about Gnome Boxes, it would be a really great product *if* it had some documentation. You have to dig to figure out where it puts the VMs and the interface is non-intuitive at best. I delete it and install Virtual Machine Manager routinely and on my remix.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com> wrote:
On 12/09/2014 11:47 AM, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com> writes:

On 12/09/2014 11:20 AM, Lars Kellogg-Stedman wrote:
Hello all,

It strikes me as odd that the Fedora 21 cloud images are hidden behind
the "Are you an OpenStack user?" link on
https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/.  It seems as if libvirt
users would also like to use the qcow2 images (100% of my sample
audience -- consisting of me -- agrees with that statement).

Someone looking for qcow2 images for use outside of openstack may be
stymied by the current design.

The images expect cloud-init to set the root password, right? So
unless it's documented how to work around that, we shouldn't advertise
for anything but a cloud environment.

Cloud-init supports different data sources
(http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/datasources.html),
e.g. one can provide a special ISO. Cloud environment is really optional
here.


Right, but none of the common end user tools like boxes or virt-manager/virt-install (or raw libvirt, or qemu) will do that for you. So something would still need to be documented

- Cole

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