On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Clive Messer <clive.m.messer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 08:04 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> for Fedora to support systems
> they need to get support for their hardware upstream.

Maybe it is time, at least for ARM platform, to look at "softening" the
"has to be upstream first" policy. This is hurting Fedora to the point
of making it irrelevant on ARM. You either are supporting the popular
consumer hardware that people are actually buying and using, (like Pi
and Odroid on 32 bit, or the 2x consumer 96boards on 64 bit), or the
ARM version of your OS is irrelevant to the majority of actual people
who would otherwise be trying/using it.

 I would like to point out that with F23, Fedora now supports *alot* of armv7 boards very well.  And it it now fairly simple to install them.

How is this relevant?

F21 armv7 supported far fewer armv7 machines, and it was a bit painful to install.  But within two releases, the support has grown quite a bit.

How did this support magically get better and work on more machines?

Most of it was the armv7 stuff getting into the kernel more, as well as the uboot listening to our Fedora developers.
Both getting the arm stuff into the kernel, and the uboot, took a lot of time and constant pressure from developers.

So ... your point is?

aarch64 support in Fedora 23 right now is where armv7 was a year or two ago.
Let's be patient, ask where help is needed, and help where help is needed.