---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopadula@projetofedora.org Date: Jun 21, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [Fwd: From Joydip Roy] joydip.roy@gmail.com To: Rodrigo Padula rodrigopadula@gmail.com
Dear Rodrigo Padula,
My name is joydip roy. I need fedora core 7 DVD full (X86_64) media for my personal work. Can you please help me to get it. I live in Bangladesh and in Bangladesh internet connection is very slow and the DVD is not available in Bangladesh. If i want to collect the DVD from abroad it will become costly which I can not effort. Please help me.
Joydip joydip.roy@gmail.com
Rodrigo Padula wrote:
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Date: Jun 21, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [Fwd: From Joydip Roy] joydip.roy@gmail.com
To: Rodrigo Padula <rodrigopadula@gmail.com
mailto:rodrigopadula@gmail.com>
Dear Rodrigo Padula,
My name is joydip roy. I need fedora core 7 DVD full (X86_64) media for my personal work. Can you please help me to get it. I live in Bangladesh and in Bangladesh internet connection is very slow and the DVD is not available in Bangladesh. If i want to collect the DVD from abroad it will become costly which I can not effort. Please help me.
Joydip joydip.roy@gmail.com mailto:joydip.roy@gmail.com
When someone emails you directly about Free Media, you can do one of two things...
Fill it yourself, or tell them; "I can not accept Free Media Requests that are made by emailing me personally. You must fill out the request form at FreeMedia [1] It opens on the first of every month and once your name is in the queue I or another Ambassador/Contributor will get your disc out just as soon as we can. Thank you for understanding."
There are just so many people waiting for Free Media that it's not fair to those on the list.
Karlie [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia
Ohhh sorry, i redirected the mail for the wrong list.
On 6/22/07, Karlie Robinson webpath@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Rodrigo Padula wrote:
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Date: Jun 21, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [Fwd: From Joydip Roy] joydip.roy@gmail.com
To: Rodrigo Padula <rodrigopadula@gmail.com
mailto:rodrigopadula@gmail.com>
Dear Rodrigo Padula,
My name is joydip roy. I need fedora core 7 DVD full (X86_64) media for my personal work. Can you please help me to get it. I live in Bangladesh and in Bangladesh internet connection is very slow and the DVD is not available in Bangladesh. If i want to collect the DVD from abroad it will become costly which I can not effort. Please help me.
Joydip joydip.roy@gmail.com mailto:joydip.roy@gmail.com
When someone emails you directly about Free Media, you can do one of two things...
Fill it yourself, or tell them; "I can not accept Free Media Requests that are made by emailing me personally. You must fill out the request form at FreeMedia [1] It opens on the first of every month and once your name is in the queue I or another Ambassador/Contributor will get your disc out just as soon as we can. Thank you for understanding."
There are just so many people waiting for Free Media that it's not fair to those on the list.
Karlie [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia
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Rodrigo Padula wrote:
Ohhh sorry, i redirected the mail for the wrong list.
No worries, Rodrigo.
Regardless of the list, Free Media requests that are directed to one person are a big problem.
We just don't have the resources to fill all of the formal requests and that sends people to the "back door" seeing if they can get a disc.
I know I sound like a broken record, but for me it's very embarrassing to have such a long list of requests and so few people getting discs. (as of this morning, there are 200 names in the June list and less than 60 have been filled)
You all know that I fill discs based on sponsorships I receive at On-Disk.com (order fedora, send a sponsorship) and a few things are happening on my end that I can comment about.
One, The FC6 List for May hadn't been finished when F7 was released, so a large number of the sponsorships that came in via On-Disk.com with the rush for the fresh release were needed to fill the back log. (evidence for our ongoing problem)
Two, the Mad rush for a new release is calming down so there aren't as many sponsorships each week. (why I've only filled 30 from June)
Three, with the huge number of people still waiting for a disc and July just around the corner, I'm feeling more than a little bummed about the whole situation. (evidence showing a problem continues into the future)
Four, I'm even more bummed that I've asked for ideas and assistance to get the word out, yet there have been only a few responses. Meanwhile there has been 14 emails about the 7 year itch... Around 35 messages about infinite freedom. (evidence that I'm barking up the wrong tree and I'm not sure which is the right tree)
~Karlie
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Karlie Robinson wrote:
Four, I'm even more bummed that I've asked for ideas and assistance to get the word out, yet there have been only a few responses. Meanwhile there has been 14 emails about the 7 year itch... Around 35 messages about infinite freedom. (evidence that I'm barking up the wrong tree and I'm not sure which is the right tree)
Hm. Lots of talkers, not enough doers? It's a common problem.
So let's talk it through. Thanks for the kick in the behind, Karlie.
I believe that we have a problem with infrastructure of participation.
Let's start with the assumption that Ambassadors want to help. I think it's reasonable to ask Fedora Ambassadors to help fill Free Media requests on a semi-regular basis.
Given this assumption:
What does the workflow look like, right now? It's still email-list based, right? How does an ambassador, or anyone else, get involved? The answer isn't *simple* and *clear* to me from looking at the wiki page. I'm guessing that doesn't help adoption of this worthy project. The email list is a good start, but it's time to move beyond that.
The workflow for this *should* be web-based, database driven, and simple:
1. ANYONE can go to the FreeMedia web request.
2. Request goes into appropriate regional queue -- which is publicly visible.
3. ANYONE can claim the request. If they're actual ambassadors, they get some kind of credit, but literally ANYONE can join and claim requests. Request goes into the regional "pending" queue -- which is publicly visible. Email is sent to the requestor that says "hey, so-and-so has sent you a disc. Please click HERE when you receive it."
4. When the requestor receives the disc, he/she clicks the link, and the request is moved from "pending" to "completed" regional queue. "Credit" is given if the person is in the account system.
I believe that we need this kind of workflow to make FreeMedia a success. I also believe that this is one case where we could consider rewarding contributors. Send 100 pieces of media, get a shirt signed by Max. Or something.
FreeMedia is struggling. It shouldn't be. It's too good of an idea to struggle.
Max -- do we have any TurboGears gurus who could spend a few days to get this project off the ground and hook it into the Fedora Account System? Because it shouldn't be too complicated.
--g
+1 for working smarter and not harder.
I was hoping to get a little more info out on the marketing list at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-June/msg00146.htm...
I think I should have changed the subject so it wouldn't get mashed in with the other parts of the conversation - my bad.
OK. What I understand is we running short of resources on the Free Media program. How exactly can I contribute in it? What exactly do we mean by running short on resources? I will be happy to pitch in...
Mukul Dharwadkar http://www.dharwadkar.com http://www.dharwadkar.org Sister site: http://www.saraswatibhuvan.org
Mukul Dharwadkar's weblog http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/mdharwadkar/%7E6/1
Karlie Robinson wrote:
+1 for working smarter and not harder.
I was hoping to get a little more info out on the marketing list at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-June/msg00146.htm...
I think I should have changed the subject so it wouldn't get mashed in with the other parts of the conversation - my bad.
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Mukul Dharwadkar wrote:
OK. What I understand is we running short of resources on the Free Media program. How exactly can I contribute in it? What exactly do we mean by running short on resources? I will be happy to pitch in...
The only "resource" required is to burn some CDs/DVDs and mail them to people in your country who need them.
The short resource is people.
--g
On 6/22/07, Greg Dekoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Mukul Dharwadkar wrote:
OK. What I understand is we running short of resources on the Free Media program. How exactly can I contribute in it? What exactly do we mean by running short on resources? I will be happy to pitch in...
The only "resource" required is to burn some CDs/DVDs and mail them to people in your country who need them.
The short resource is people.
--g
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I'm willing to supply my area (Mexico), are there any requirements (labeling, dvd cases, etc) in printing said media?
On 6/22/07, Karlie Robinson webpath@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Juan Rodriguez wrote:
I'm willing to supply my area (Mexico), are there any requirements (labeling, dvd cases, etc) in printing said media?
The only thing you need to do is make sure the burn is good and that the disc will arrive safely.
~Karlie
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Ok, I can take care of both of these issues. I already checked the wikihttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/F7DVD/June[ FedoraProject.org], and see several requests, is there a page that mentions how to get in contact with them and the standard procedure?
On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 13:20 -0500, Juan Rodriguez wrote:
On 6/22/07, Karlie Robinson webpath@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > I'm willing to supply my area (Mexico), are there any requirements > (labeling, dvd cases, etc) in printing said media? The only thing you need to do is make sure the burn is good and that the disc will arrive safely. ~Karlie -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-listOk, I can take care of both of these issues. I already checked the wiki [FedoraProject.org], and see several requests, is there a page that mentions how to get in contact with them and the standard procedure?
It is really easy to do. You join up in the mailing list then reply to the request with I accept this request. Burn the disc and mail it off to the person requesting the dvd.
I usually take care of Australia so all I do is look for someone who requests from Australia reply and mail them the Disc.
HTH,
Marc
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