Hi to all Ambassadors,
Myself Sunil from India. First I would like to tell you that I removed myself from
Ambassadors list, a day after I was allowed to be Ambassador. I hope they who are crying
for inactive Ambassador issue will be happy.
If you have read below there were few lines:
"who have no idea how to contribute"
Better if you call can work on this issue.
One more clue, you can mail them asking, why are they inactive for such a long period,
before deleting them(if you are thinking of deleting them).
Asking is important because there may be great ideas which fedora may loose just because
no one was there to guide and give a first gear to those ideas.
Second clue, what anyone will get or achieve being a Ambassador of Fedora? (I think
someone asked me).
My problem, I tried to be a member to provide free media in my region, but still see
myself unapproved status. I dont know who will explain this.
--- On Wed, 1/4/09, David Anderson <dca(a)projectcellular.com> wrote:
From: David Anderson <dca(a)projectcellular.com>
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Mentors, Sponsors, etc...
Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 7:25 PM
All good points, on the "too many inactive Ambassador" front I see no issues
removing them. If being a member of ANYTHING (LUG, AAA, YMCA, Fedora) simply requires you
to just login every once in a while to say "hello", update a Wiki, or anything
within 90days or whatever to remain an active member is no big deal. Is there a place
within FAS that allows you to cancel your Ambassadorship, delete/remove FAS account or
anything? Granted the issue we're having is because people won't delete
themselves simply because they have no spare time to dedicate to Fedora.
If the team is growing too large than another alternative is to continue the regional
breakdown of Ambassadors. Is there a 'fedora-list' mailer for regions? ie:
fedora-ambassador-list-NA for North America or fedora-list-EU, or fedora-list etc that
would be dedicated to the newer members. The only reason I say, some of the members from
India have some great ideas for getting things going in their colleges, cafes, etc, but I
really wouldn't know how to help them any further because I don't know what works
in their area. Mine is an predominantly MS area, so it's tough. Conventions are
limited as well and finding colleges in the area that can help promote is kind of like
pulling teeth because they only teach MS & Java... Back to the regions idea: by
region we can all talk amongst ourselves, the Regional ambassadors if the topic is
important can forward the discussion from region to global for total input.
I wish I had ideas on the 'barrier to entry' scheme but until the
'inactive' issue is resolved, I don't know...
until now i tried to back off from this topic, because i'm a so called
"Ambassador Newbie" myself.
But since there were some interessting postings, i could not longer hold
And just to make it clear: I don't want to offend several people here on
the list, i just want to say a few words.
First, i totally dislike the suggested "point system" (like "Beeing at a
event -> +100pts).
Remember, beeing Fedora Ambassador doesn't mean to be a hero in a MMORPG
where you can earn Experience Points for succesfully finishing quests.
I don't want to come to a a point in future, where i pay someone 200€ to
get a eminently respected 100.000 Ambassador Points worthy Fedora
Ambassador identity (or avatar).
And there is another critic point at this method. Who decides, wich
activity drops how many points?
I mean i can stay for 2 weeks on an event or convention and tell all
people about fedora. What if (i know it is exaggerated but it is just an
example) everyone i talk to on the event already knows Fedora,
contributes already to another distro and is absolutely not interessted
in my "drivel"?
Then, my spent time was without succes, and i should get 0 points,
because i have achieved nothing.
But if i convince 3 friends of mine to use fedora (and offer them
support) (wich i did in my few weeks as Ambassador now) do i now get 300
points (for just much less hours of engagement)?
The point is: No matter what someone does or doesn't, no one here is
able to rate his engagement in points.
Another suggestion was to send every month (or every half year e.g.) a
validation mail. This would be more acceptable to me than the points
system, but it is still unsatisfying. There would be too much troubles
and sentences like "oh, please give me my Ambassador Status back, i
haven't known anything from the mail, you know, my Spam filter...".
Maybe i'm a bit pessimistic, but in my experience, it is always the same.
I think, the main problem and reason for this debate is: We have many
Ambassadors, many inactive and every week a few new Ambassadors.
Problem A): Too many inactive Ambassadors.
The Validation mail is as i said not the best method. And it has another
disadvantage. You can be as inactive as you want, as long as you answer
a short "i'm still active" mail to the mailing list.
Problem B): Too many new Ambassadors who become inactive after a few
days/weeks/months and who have no idea how to contribute.
I think it is also our topic to tell new fedora people, how and where
they can start contributing. If we don't manage this task inside the
Ambassador the team, how can we handle it for the rest of the Fedora
So my idea would be, to spend time with talking to new ambassadors about
their abilities and give them some hints where they can start
contributing with their abilities.
For example, Joerg read, that i'm a ongoing social/cultural
anthropologist stressed on central asia, so he introduced me to Mirlan
(i wrote him already a mail, waiting for his response).
Maybe it would be helpful to create a mindmap wich clearly describes the
organization of the Fedora Project with all ways of contributing.
Also we maybe should concentrate some work on the New Ambassadors Guide
someone here works at (sorry, i forgot who exactly it was).
Just my 2 cents.
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