Hi,
I've just come back from the Linux Tag and there are some ideas I want to share. As I am new to this list and to the whole Fedora Events thing, I am not sure if you've discussed them already, so feel free to direct me to some old threads.
It seems for me that the swag we had in a booth is targeted more to the Fedora users then to outsiders.
I mean buttons and stickers are cool, but they have no content, no information, only Fedora logo. They create the point of attraction, give you the reason to come closer, but they are not the conversation starters, since they don't give you the reason to ask something.
Thus, maybe we can get some printed material as well? And not the general stuff like Fedora is about Freedom, but more specific.
For example:
* current Fedora Features list - this might be Release Notes, or (and I think it's better) - some Accepted Features list for the next release with very short explanation. Several people asked me what's new in F19. And it would be great to have a list and to point in some features and discuss them with more details.
* checklist on how to become "Fedora <smth>"
Starting from very simple "Fedora User checklist" - get it (link) - boot it (link) - run it (link)
to "Fedora Packager checklist" and "Fedora Translator checklist" and so on. There shouldn't be detailed instructions, since the full info is on wiki pages. But short overview of the process, so people would get the general idea, and become interested.
* cheat cubes [1]
3d-printed cubes are the coolest :) but cheat cubes are also funny. And I would add QR-code with the link on the source PDF-file to it. Thus you can build your cube, then go home, download the source file and build more.
The main idea is to make these things short and catchy, as you don't need the whole booklet full of buzzwords, which no one ever reads. It could be something halfpage or quarter page size, but should make you wonder and ask, what it is all about.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_collateral#Fedora_Cheat_Cubes
Aleksandra Fedorova píše v Po 27. 05. 2013 v 12:13 +0400:
Hi,
I've just come back from the Linux Tag and there are some ideas I want to share. As I am new to this list and to the whole Fedora Events thing, I am not sure if you've discussed them already, so feel free to direct me to some old threads.
It seems for me that the swag we had in a booth is targeted more to the Fedora users then to outsiders.
I mean buttons and stickers are cool, but they have no content, no information, only Fedora logo. They create the point of attraction, give you the reason to come closer, but they are not the conversation starters, since they don't give you the reason to ask something.
Thus, maybe we can get some printed material as well? And not the general stuff like Fedora is about Freedom, but more specific.
For example:
- current Fedora Features list - this might be Release Notes, or (and
I think it's better) - some Accepted Features list for the next release with very short explanation. Several people asked me what's new in F19. And it would be great to have a list and to point in some features and discuss them with more details.
- checklist on how to become "Fedora <smth>"
Starting from very simple "Fedora User checklist"
- get it (link) - boot it (link) - run it (link)
to "Fedora Packager checklist" and "Fedora Translator checklist" and so on. There shouldn't be detailed instructions, since the full info is on wiki pages. But short overview of the process, so people would get the general idea, and become interested.
- cheat cubes [1]
3d-printed cubes are the coolest :) but cheat cubes are also funny. And I would add QR-code with the link on the source PDF-file to it. Thus you can build your cube, then go home, download the source file and build more.
The main idea is to make these things short and catchy, as you don't need the whole booklet full of buzzwords, which no one ever reads. It could be something halfpage or quarter page size, but should make you wonder and ask, what it is all about.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_collateral#Fedora_Cheat_Cubes
Fliers are a good idea and I've been thinking about them for a while. But recently I've been busy producing swag than preparing new ones.
Some general flier that would briefly say what Fedora is, what Fedora offers to users, and how to get it would be very useful.
DVD sleeves have no information about what Fedora is, they just contain installation instructions and legal information. And at the booth, you don't have time to explain the basic info to everyone. At LinuxTag, it was sometimes really crowded.
At the end of the last year, we were discussing Fedora fliers for developers in different languages that would say why Fedora is good for developing in their language, what tools it offers, very briefly how to set up a development environment. It'd be very useful at conferences such as PyCon. I offered to arrange cooperation with RHT maintainers of language packages. But the whole project never took off because no one really assign themselves to it and push it.
It was a thing I wanted to work on in my free time at Flock, but if anyone is willing to start it earlier, I'll be happy to help.
Jiri
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to total newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention the pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be helpful for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread that we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a design ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we need or have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can either download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized and well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what elements does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to total newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention the pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be helpful for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread that we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a design ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we need or have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can either download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized and well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what elements does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to total newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention the pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be helpful for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
Dan
Hi,
2013/5/28 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread
that
we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a
design
ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776 http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we
need or
have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can
either
download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized
and
well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what elements does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to
total
newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention
the
pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be
helpful
for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;)
br gnokii
Dan
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Hey!
You can address the ticket to me or anyone, however, It would be nice if we use this thread to start listing each item we think that could be useful to include inside the "marketing box"
See ya!
2013/5/28 S.Kemter sirko.kemter@gmail.com
Hi,
2013/5/28 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread
that
we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a
design
ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we
need or
have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can
either
download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized
and
well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what elements does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to
total
newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention
the
pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be
helpful
for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
-- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;)
br gnokii
Dan
ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
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On events most of the interesters (not tech. guys/girls) are asking the follows: - what is Fedora - what is it good for - can i play games on that system - can i edit videos/ music - where can i get more info - is there a book about Fedora
So, i think we need to think some topic seperated short description papers (flyers maybe), like for photographers,for movie editors, for gamers,etc And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they give the email address on the quiz last page.
Geri 2013.05.28. 15:24, "María Leandro" tatica@fedoraproject.org ezt írta:
Hey!
You can address the ticket to me or anyone, however, It would be nice if we use this thread to start listing each item we think that could be useful to include inside the "marketing box"
See ya!
2013/5/28 S.Kemter sirko.kemter@gmail.com
Hi,
2013/5/28 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread
that
we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a
design
ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we
need or
have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can
either
download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized
and
well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what
elements
does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to
total
newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably
mention the
pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be
helpful
for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that
we
could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;)
br gnokii
Dan
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Hello!
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely rakosi.gergely@gmail.com
On events most of the interesters (not tech. guys/girls) are asking the follows:
- what is Fedora
- what is it good for
- can i play games on that system
- can i edit videos/ music
- where can i get more info
- is there a book about Fedora
So, i think we need to think some topic seperated short description papers (flyers maybe), like for photographers,for movie editors, for gamers,etc And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they give the email address on the quiz last page.
Geri
there are some specific flyers already available, specially for artist; you refer to something like this?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials
Exactly! Thats awesome. I think all of stuffs on that page what we need. I'll try to make a brochure for gamers, and we need one more "What is Fedora ?" Could I translate the text to Hungarian ?
Geri
2013-05-28 18:28 keltezéssel, María Leandro írta:
Hello!
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com mailto:rakosi.gergely@gmail.com>
On events most of the interesters (not tech. guys/girls) are asking the follows: - what is Fedora - what is it good for - can i play games on that system - can i edit videos/ music - where can i get more info - is there a book about Fedora So, i think we need to think some topic seperated short description papers (flyers maybe), like for photographers,for movie editors, for gamers,etc And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they give the email address on the quiz last page. Geri
there are some specific flyers already available, specially for artist; you refer to something like this?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials
-- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.tatica.org/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
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Definitely yes! as soon as you have the game text let me know so I can use it and translate the full pack into spanish too :D
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely rakosi.gergely@gmail.com
Exactly! Thats awesome. I think all of stuffs on that page what we need. I'll try to make a brochure for gamers, and we need one more "What is Fedora ?" Could I translate the text to Hungarian ?
Geri
2013-05-28 18:28 keltezéssel, María Leandro írta:
Hello!
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely rakosi.gergely@gmail.com
On events most of the interesters (not tech. guys/girls) are asking the follows:
- what is Fedora
- what is it good for
- can i play games on that system
- can i edit videos/ music
- where can i get more info
- is there a book about Fedora
So, i think we need to think some topic seperated short description papers (flyers maybe), like for photographers,for movie editors, for gamers,etc And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they give the email address on the quiz last page.
Geri
there are some specific flyers already available, specially for artist; you refer to something like this?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials
-- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
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Maybe we should have the material qr-code tagged so that you could get the entire language selection online as well. It would be handy if someone required material on another language than that available at the booth. On May 28, 2013 6:37 PM, "María Leandro" tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Definitely yes! as soon as you have the game text let me know so I can use it and translate the full pack into spanish too :D
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely rakosi.gergely@gmail.com
Exactly! Thats awesome. I think all of stuffs on that page what we need. I'll try to make a brochure for gamers, and we need one more "What is Fedora ?" Could I translate the text to Hungarian ?
Geri
2013-05-28 18:28 keltezéssel, María Leandro írta:
Hello!
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely rakosi.gergely@gmail.com
On events most of the interesters (not tech. guys/girls) are asking the follows:
- what is Fedora
- what is it good for
- can i play games on that system
- can i edit videos/ music
- where can i get more info
- is there a book about Fedora
So, i think we need to think some topic seperated short description papers (flyers maybe), like for photographers,for movie editors, for gamers,etc And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they give the email address on the quiz last page.
Geri
there are some specific flyers already available, specially for artist; you refer to something like this?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials
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Sebastian's idea sounds good.
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux".
There we have a problem!
People do not understand that there are multiple linux-based (desktop) distributions available. For a "common-normal" people it is just a linux and because "no-one uses linux, I cannot use it". People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times. ->most of the websites, many mobile phones and tablets, most of the supercomputers, most of the embedded systems and much more run linux in some form without user have noticed at all.
Therefore should we say to the people what "LINUX" is all about and promote it bit more than just being "Fedora" and not saying the word "linux".
I do not mean we should start promoting some other distributions, but to make clear what linux is _all_about_ and what it is capable of doing. ...and therefore "why you should not try Fedora on your desktop because it is so good"...
-- Jukka
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 14:56 +0200, Sebastian Mäki wrote:
Maybe we should have the material qr-code tagged so that you could get the entire language selection online as well. It would be handy if someone required material on another language than that available at the booth.
On May 28, 2013 6:37 PM, "María Leandro" tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote: Definitely yes! as soon as you have the game text let me know so I can use it and translate the full pack into spanish too :D
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com> Exactly! Thats awesome. I think all of stuffs on that page what we need. I'll try to make a brochure for gamers, and we need one more "What is Fedora ?" Could I translate the text to Hungarian ? Geri 2013-05-28 18:28 keltezéssel, María Leandro írta: > Hello! > > > 2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com> > On events most of the interesters (not tech. > guys/girls) are asking the follows: > - what is Fedora > - what is it good for > - can i play games on that system > - can i edit videos/ music > - where can i get more info > - is there a book about Fedora > > So, i think we need to think some topic > seperated short description papers (flyers > maybe), like for photographers,for movie > editors, for gamers,etc > And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the > winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz > in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the > Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they > give the email address on the quiz last > page. > > Geri > > > > > > there are some specific flyers already available, > specially for artist; you refer to something like > this? > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials > > > > > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica > LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > > > > -- > ambassadors mailing list > ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
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+1 Jukka thoughts!
2013/5/29 Jukka Palander jukka@devspain.com
Sebastian's idea sounds good.
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux".
There we have a problem!
People do not understand that there are multiple linux-based (desktop) distributions available. For a "common-normal" people it is just a linux and because "no-one uses linux, I cannot use it". People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times. ->most of the websites, many mobile phones and tablets, most of the supercomputers, most of the embedded systems and much more run linux in some form without user have noticed at all.
Therefore should we say to the people what "LINUX" is all about and promote it bit more than just being "Fedora" and not saying the word "linux".
I do not mean we should start promoting some other distributions, but to make clear what linux is _all_about_ and what it is capable of doing. ...and therefore "why you should not try Fedora on your desktop because it is so good"...
-- Jukka
On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 14:56 +0200, Sebastian Mäki wrote:
Maybe we should have the material qr-code tagged so that you could get the entire language selection online as well. It would be handy if someone required material on another language than that available at the booth.
On May 28, 2013 6:37 PM, "María Leandro" tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote: Definitely yes! as soon as you have the game text let me know so I can use it and translate the full pack into spanish too :D
2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com> Exactly! Thats awesome. I think all of stuffs on that page what we need. I'll try to make a brochure for gamers, and we need one more "What is Fedora ?" Could I translate the text to Hungarian ? Geri 2013-05-28 18:28 keltezéssel, María Leandro írta: > Hello! > > > 2013/5/28 Rákosi Gergely <rakosi.gergely@gmail.com> > On events most of the interesters (not tech. > guys/girls) are asking the follows: > - what is Fedora > - what is it good for > - can i play games on that system > - can i edit videos/ music > - where can i get more info > - is there a book about Fedora > > So, i think we need to think some topic > seperated short description papers (flyers > maybe), like for photographers,for movie > editors, for gamers,etc > And of course we need mugs,hats,etc to the > winners of Fedora quiz (we have 4 pages quiz > in Hungarian). Who want to sign up the > Hungarian Fedora Communiity newsletter, they > give the email address on the quiz last > page. > > Geri > > > > > > there are some specific flyers already available, > specially for artist; you refer to something like > this? > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/SXSW_Materials > > > > > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > http://www.tatica.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica > LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > > > > -- > ambassadors mailing list > ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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Hi,
When you say:
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux"
No, for me, the answer is "What is Linux ?"
I think most people don't know Linux. Very very little lambda people know it. It's, in my opinion, the most problem we have. After, as stated Jukka, if they know linux, they don't know the differencies between the distribution.
I think we should say why Fedora it's different between Windows (and Apple), and after why Fedora it's different between the other distribution.
Jukka say a very great idea:
People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times.
It's really true!
Alexandre, Fedora user
Le 29/05/2013 16:26, Jukka Palander a écrit :
Sebastian's idea sounds good.
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux".
There we have a problem!
People do not understand that there are multiple linux-based (desktop) distributions available. For a "common-normal" people it is just a linux and because "no-one uses linux, I cannot use it". People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times. ->most of the websites, many mobile phones and tablets, most of the supercomputers, most of the embedded systems and much more run linux in some form without user have noticed at all.
Therefore should we say to the people what "LINUX" is all about and promote it bit more than just being "Fedora" and not saying the word "linux".
I do not mean we should start promoting some other distributions, but to make clear what linux is _all_about_ and what it is capable of doing. ...and therefore "why you should not try Fedora on your desktop because it is so good"...
-- Jukka
--
Hello all!
I think the QR idea is great, specially if we want to direct people into contribute or know more about a specific topic (ex, the design flyer QR should link to the Design team wiki page, and stuff like that...)
Now, about answering the question "what's Fedora and what's Linux?" in a single flyer I see that at the end, there will be too much content and we might need a 2x2mts flyer. then let me offer you guys an option... What about a video that explains the difference and where users can identify themselves (which will also reduce the time that you spend explaining each one and will let you reach a bigger audience) and then, deliver the specific(s) flyer(s) that can make this person get really interested in Fedora?
Now; if we want to get even more crazy... what if we develop a simple website/web-app that let users select their profile and their personal data?
ex. Profile such as: student or professional, designer or coder... if designer? photographer, music or all? ... and go on Personal such as: NA, LATAM, APAC or EMEA? Housewives or Police? if Housewife, how many Pc's are at your house? are yours? tablet? etc...
At the end, probably in 6 months of release parties and other events, we could not only be able to identify what audience do we reach the most (or which users are more interested), but also a demographic about the situation and how does our users make use of the tools that we are offering. This might sound crazy, but I guess that at almost each community there is someone with a Tablet that can be used as "our touch device for users help" (touch please... no click click :D )
Anyway, some random ideas :)
2013/5/29 Alexandre Moine nobrakal@fedoraproject.org
Hi,
When you say:
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux"
No, for me, the answer is "What is Linux ?"
I think most people don't know Linux. Very very little lambda people know it. It's, in my opinion, the most problem we have. After, as stated Jukka, if they know linux, they don't know the differencies between the distribution.
I think we should say why Fedora it's different between Windows (and Apple), and after why Fedora it's different between the other distribution.
Jukka say a very great idea:
People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times.
It's really true!
Alexandre, Fedora user
Le 29/05/2013 16:26, Jukka Palander a écrit :
Sebastian's idea sounds good.
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux".
There we have a problem!
People do not understand that there are multiple linux-based (desktop) distributions available. For a "common-normal" people it is just a linux and because "no-one uses linux, I cannot use it". People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times. ->most of the websites, many mobile phones and tablets, most of the supercomputers, most of the embedded systems and much more run linux in some form without user have noticed at all.
Therefore should we say to the people what "LINUX" is all about and promote it bit more than just being "Fedora" and not saying the word "linux".
I do not mean we should start promoting some other distributions, but to make clear what linux is _all_about_ and what it is capable of doing. ...and therefore "why you should not try Fedora on your desktop because it is so good"...
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When I wrote the original mail I had a little bit different picture in my mind, since I want to create something for 'not so newbies' also. Something closer to the idea of Talking points [1]
As I understand Robyn suggested to create a certain workflow which will give as relevant and up-to-date information about Fedora Features. And I think it could be nice to add the step of creating flyers into this workflow.
I have created the ticket for the template desing at Fedora Design tracker [2]. Feel free to comment there.
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2013-March/014903.html [2] https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/272
2013/5/29 María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org
Hello all!
I think the QR idea is great, specially if we want to direct people into contribute or know more about a specific topic (ex, the design flyer QR should link to the Design team wiki page, and stuff like that...)
Now, about answering the question "what's Fedora and what's Linux?" in a single flyer I see that at the end, there will be too much content and we might need a 2x2mts flyer. then let me offer you guys an option... What about a video that explains the difference and where users can identify themselves (which will also reduce the time that you spend explaining each one and will let you reach a bigger audience) and then, deliver the specific(s) flyer(s) that can make this person get really interested in Fedora?
Now; if we want to get even more crazy... what if we develop a simple website/web-app that let users select their profile and their personal data?
ex. Profile such as: student or professional, designer or coder... if designer? photographer, music or all? ... and go on Personal such as: NA, LATAM, APAC or EMEA? Housewives or Police? if Housewife, how many Pc's are at your house? are yours? tablet? etc...
At the end, probably in 6 months of release parties and other events, we could not only be able to identify what audience do we reach the most (or which users are more interested), but also a demographic about the situation and how does our users make use of the tools that we are offering. This might sound crazy, but I guess that at almost each community there is someone with a Tablet that can be used as "our touch device for users help" (touch please... no click click :D )
Anyway, some random ideas :)
2013/5/29 Alexandre Moine nobrakal@fedoraproject.org
Hi,
When you say:
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux"
No, for me, the answer is "What is Linux ?"
I think most people don't know Linux. Very very little lambda people know it. It's, in my opinion, the most problem we have. After, as stated Jukka, if they know linux, they don't know the differencies between the distribution.
I think we should say why Fedora it's different between Windows (and Apple), and after why Fedora it's different between the other distribution.
Jukka say a very great idea:
People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times.
It's really true!
Alexandre, Fedora user
Le 29/05/2013 16:26, Jukka Palander a écrit :
Sebastian's idea sounds good.
For me, the most asked question is "What is Fedora" and when you explain, the answer/conclusion normally is "Aha, it is a linux".
There we have a problem!
People do not understand that there are multiple linux-based (desktop) distributions available. For a "common-normal" people it is just a linux and because "no-one uses linux, I cannot use it". People just do not understand that they are already using linux in some form every day and many times. ->most of the websites, many mobile phones and tablets, most of the supercomputers, most of the embedded systems and much more run linux in some form without user have noticed at all.
Therefore should we say to the people what "LINUX" is all about and promote it bit more than just being "Fedora" and not saying the word "linux".
I do not mean we should start promoting some other distributions, but to make clear what linux is _all_about_ and what it is capable of doing. ...and therefore "why you should not try Fedora on your desktop because it is so good"...
-- Jukka
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Hi
On May 28, 2013 1:35 AM, "S.Kemter" sirko.kemter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2013/5/28 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread
that
we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a
design
ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we
need or
have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can
either
download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized
and
well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what
elements
does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to
total
newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably
mention the
pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be
helpful
for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that
we
could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;)
br gnokii
Thanks. I would like to have some 4x6 flyers designed.
Cool Fedora logo splatter design on the front with time, date and location of the event with detailed info on the back on a 4x6 flyer in CMYK format.
I know where to go but let me get back to you with some details first. Just throwing around ideas and its my first event I've planned in a long time (rusty!). But I know where to go now.
Dan
WOW! I just saw the ticket and it's quite explaining.
My only concern about the idea is if the flyer will end up short when we have too many features to spread; so probably a poster would go it.
Now; Do you think that a user would enjoy a flyer with a ton of text or would be better to do a small flyer that point the user with a QR code into the current talking points URL?
/me trying to debug :)
2013/5/30 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On May 28, 2013 1:35 AM, "S.Kemter" sirko.kemter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2013/5/28 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com
Hi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro <
tatica@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hello all.
I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to
spread that
we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a
design
ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776
I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we
need or
have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can
either
download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how
organized and
well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as
a
unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what
elements
does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible.
See ya!
2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki sebastian.maki@gmail.com
I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to
total
newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably
mention the
pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be
helpful
for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that
we
could improve and thus shorten the cons list.
Sebastian
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Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the point of contact for this?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;)
br gnokii
Thanks. I would like to have some 4x6 flyers designed.
Cool Fedora logo splatter design on the front with time, date and location of the event with detailed info on the back on a 4x6 flyer in CMYK format.
I know where to go but let me get back to you with some details first. Just throwing around ideas and its my first event I've planned in a long time (rusty!). But I know where to go now.
Dan
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My only concern about the idea is if the flyer will end up short when we have too many features to spread; so probably a poster would go it.
Now; Do you think that a user would enjoy a flyer with a ton of text or would be better to do a small flyer that point the user with a QR code into the current talking points URL?
/me trying to debug :)
I would split features in some smaller groups and put 3-5 of them on a list. Thus these flyers could be better targeted (and cheaper to produce). It could be "DE flyer", "Network flyer", "Programming flyer", "Spin flyer" and so on. These might be the same groups as in Categories or maybe some other subset by Ambassador's choice, if he thinks that a certain event needs a specialized set of features to talk about.
If we create more or less automatic way to produce these flyers, they would be easy to customize. That's why I want a template more then just a ready-to-print flyer.
The poster idea is also interesting. Since you can have one poster and talk with people staying in front of it, pointing in particular features or letting them choose ones they interested in. But this poster will not be reusable like an general roll-up, because it talks about current release only. So if it will take a lot of time and money to create and print - may be it is not worth it.
As for the text and QR: I think it is important to have the description printed. Because you won't understand the feature just by reading the title. And at an offline event it is not so easy to go online, especially during the discussion with the ambassador. You can make description in rather small font, it won't be a problem for interested readers. And then there should be a link to feature page as QR code for later use.
Another benefit of having a qr-code is that you can then have the print contain stuff that is less frequently updated and thus you can maximize the time/cost ratio of the media. Meaning the print can be usefull for a longer period of time and it can be printed in larger batches because you wouldn't have to worry about the content becoming outdated. I'm assuming here of course that the content of the print isn't about the latest stuff but about the essence of some Fedora feature. The online media can be updated as often as we like so it would make sense to have the material that is more frequently changed online. The qr-codes should contain a short url that we can point to wherever we like and the url should be typed below the qr-code as well. This would make the qr-code not take up too much space while also allowing users without a qr-code reader to point their browser to the url easily.
El sáb, 01-06-2013 a las 02:12 +0300, Sebastian Mäki escribió:
Another benefit of having a qr-code is that you can then have the print contain stuff that is less frequently updated and thus you can maximize the time/cost ratio of the media. Meaning the print can be usefull for a longer period of time and it can be printed in larger batches because you wouldn't have to worry about the content becoming outdated. I'm assuming here of course that the content of the print isn't about the latest stuff but about the essence of some Fedora feature. The online media can be updated as often as we like so it would make sense to have the material that is more frequently changed online. The qr-codes should contain a short url that we can point to wherever we like and the url should be typed below the qr-code as well. This would make the qr-code not take up too much space while also allowing users without a qr-code reader to point their browser to the url easily.
I made some flyers, those were with fedora fundations, the idea of infraestrcture + people = OS On the back there were some links for support. Now I would think that QR are cool and add them, but not discard link. At least were I live not everybody can decode a QR hardware limitation or mind limitantions (snobs!) The main idea was to make the flyers not release specific. So we were able to print a lot of them and if they were not used for one release cycle, it was still posible to use them in the next.
On 05/30/2013 02:15 PM, María Leandro wrote:
WOW! I just saw the ticket and it's quite explaining.
My only concern about the idea is if the flyer will end up short when we have too many features to spread; so probably a poster would go it.
Now; Do you think that a user would enjoy a flyer with a ton of text or would be better to do a small flyer that point the user with a QR code into the current talking points URL?
/me trying to debug :)
2013/5/30 Dan Mashal <dan.mashal@gmail.com mailto:dan.mashal@gmail.com>
Hi On May 28, 2013 1:35 AM, "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter@gmail.com <mailto:sirko.kemter@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > 2013/5/28 Dan Mashal <dan.mashal@gmail.com <mailto:dan.mashal@gmail.com>> >> >> Hi >> >> >> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM, María Leandro <tatica@fedoraproject.org <mailto:tatica@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: >> > Hello all. >> > >> > I have some flyers that might be useful or at least the idea to spread that >> > we might have. However, I would be happy if you guys open and track a design >> > ticket so we can handle it and keep a record of the progress. >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5915500104/in/set-72157613836974776 >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5856925986/in/set-72157613836974776 >> > >> > I have a workshop proposal that might solve the issue of "what do we need or >> > have for an event" creating a box full with elements that people can either >> > download as a tar or get as a box (will depend mostly on how organized and >> > well funded is the group) for events that can be ship each release as a >> > unique swag box. I think that if we gather enough ideas on what elements >> > does someone really need for an event, we could make it possible. >> > >> > See ya! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/5/27 Sebastian Mäki <sebastian.maki@gmail.com <mailto:sebastian.maki@gmail.com>> >> >> >> >> I think we should also prepare some material that could be useful to total >> >> newbies to both Linux and Fedora. The material should probably mention the >> >> pros and cons of Fedora/Linux/Free software for newbies. It would be helpful >> >> for making an informed choice and might also help us find areas that we >> >> could improve and thus shorten the cons list. >> >> >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ambassadors mailing list >> >> ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org> >> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors >> >> >> Some flyers for release parties would be nice too. Who would be the >> point of contact for this? > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ ;) > > > br gnokii Thanks. I would like to have some 4x6 flyers designed. Cool Fedora logo splatter design on the front with time, date and location of the event with detailed info on the back on a 4x6 flyer in CMYK format. I know where to go but let me get back to you with some details first. Just throwing around ideas and its my first event I've planned in a long time (rusty!). But I know where to go now. Dan -- ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
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What do you thing about some lanyards with Fedora Project?
El sáb, 01-06-2013 a las 02:12 +0300, Sebastian Mäki escribió:
I made some flyers, those were with fedora fundations, the idea of infraestrcture + people = OS
Can we see?
On the back there were some links for support. Now I would think that QR are cool and add them, but not discard link. At least were I live not everybody can decode a QR hardware limitation or mind limitantions (snobs!)
I don't know if it's a regional thing but no one locally here (Northern California) cares for QR codes.
The main idea was to make the flyers not release specific. So we were able to print a lot of them and if they were not used for one release cycle, it was still posible to use them in the next.
I'm extremely against this idea. Not only is this bad marketing, it lowers the value of the brand and makes us look cheap and defeats the whole point of a flyer, to be local promotion. If I have to throw a $100 at psprint to print a few thousand flyers so be it. I just need some CMYK 4x6 designs that say "Fedora 19 release party here!" on the front, when, where, who, what, why. On the back I'd like to have some features, why you should come to the party, etc. etc and it should look cool. Not necessarily in that order. I'd like to throw them at college kids and actually celebrate something.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:15 AM, María Leandro tatica@fedoraproject.org wrote:
WOW! I just saw the ticket and it's quite explaining.
My only concern about the idea is if the flyer will end up short when we have too many features to spread; so probably a poster would go it.
Now; Do you think that a user would enjoy a flyer with a ton of text or would be better to do a small flyer that point the user with a QR code into the current talking points URL?
/me trying to debug :)
Maria,
I really love the flyers you made.
I would like to take them with a horizontal rotation, make them more adult, add some 3d effects and give it a little bit more edge. What do you think?
And in regards to lanyards I fully support those too.
(hooray for design people!)
Dan
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com wrote:
El sáb, 01-06-2013 a las 02:12 +0300, Sebastian Mäki escribió:
The main idea was to make the flyers not release specific. So we were able to print a lot of them and if they were not used for one release cycle, it was still posible to use them in the next.
I'm extremely against this idea. Not only is this bad marketing, it lowers the value of the brand and makes us look cheap and defeats the whole point of a flyer, to be local promotion. If I have to throw a $100 at psprint to print a few thousand flyers so be it. I just need some CMYK 4x6 designs that say "Fedora 19 release party here!" on the front, when, where, who, what, why. On the back I'd like to have some features, why you should come to the party, etc. etc and it should look cool. Not necessarily in that order. I'd like to throw them at college kids and actually celebrate something.
I think the use case you are thinking of is just different. For flyers about many Fedora related things, like general project information, how to join various groups, details about how various teams work, etc. that are not release specific making the flyers release specific is often a big mistake leading to flyers that would still be useful a release or two later becoming cruft on the wiki as they don't get updated.
My preference is that flyers not be release specific unless there is a good reason for them to be release specific. Your example is a good reason for release specific information on the flyer.
John
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