Il 14/mar/2016 04:23 PM, "Giannis Konstantinidis"
Jona, thanks for taking the time and courage to speak about this
"incident". I was chairing that FAmSCo meeting, I was briefly part of the
discussion but I chose not to continue as it was getting off-topic.
One of our four foundations is Friends. We have to make sure that every
contributor feels welcome and that all kinds of contributions are
valued and appreciated.
> On March 10, 2016 at 2:37 PM Robert Scheck <robert(a)fedoraproject.org>
> thank you very much for picking this up. I wanted to do this anyway, I
> was in touch yesterday with Remy during the meeting in /query
> First of all: My word "real" wasn't perfectly choosen, I am sorry for
Robert, I do believe that you didn't want to upset the Albanian community
any way. Still, I do not agree with your reasoning.
> From mypoint of view, mostly by looking back over the years, a "young
> has IMHO still after 2 years the risk to fall down (even I do not hope
> at all). I might be wrong here, but most of the activity in
> in 2014, thus it's from my point of view a "young
Yes, there is the risk you mention, but we don't have to think like that.
mentors and as part of this project's leadership we have to inspire,
encourage and enable contributors across the regions in order to grow their
communities and succeed.
If they fail to do so, it's partly our fault as well.
> Given I mentioned Greece as well: I'm not absolutely sure without digging
> through old mails, but around 2008-2010, there was really a lot of
> in Greece regarding Fedora; I'm tempted to say maybe even
more than now.
> Very sad thing is that there was a "down" after that, because quite a lot
> of the Fedora ambassadors went to Mozilla (I don't want to blame Mozilla
> here for anything) and a fair part to openSUSE. And if I'm not completely
> wrong for what I looked up and noticed, most of the currently active
> ambassadors started after that "down". Again, while
leaving and joining
> part of the community life, it was sad at that time to see that
> more attractive or fascinating or whatever for contributing.
> to learn from the past - I would like to avoid such a thing for
Quite a lot went to Mozilla? I can count only three people, which are
still part of
the Fedora community as well.
Also, why do you think this happened?
A fair part to openSUSE? That's not true at all. Please, get your facts
The Greek Fedora community has 17 contributors currently. Two of them are
part of the Fedora leadership. During the last FOSSCOMM, a large
Greek foss-related conference which took place a few months ago, nine of
them showed up for the booth; and there were several more that wanted to
come but they couldn't. We don't have that many events in Greece, but this
doesn't mean we're dead.
If you don't have facts, please don't speak about the Greek community
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Giannis I think you are pointing fingers where there is no need. Robert
clarified pretty well during the meeting, and also in his nice answer
here, what he meant and it is nothing you are trying to understand. Why are
you throwing oil in the fire when the discussion already took a clarifying
Sorry I just don't get it and I explained my thoughts already in a previous
Treating a long term contributor who always has been more than correct like
you did now is not what I call friends. Please rethink about that and let's
get back to business as Jörg said.