Jona, thanks for taking the time and courage to speak about this "incident". I
was chairing that FAmSCo meeting, I was briefly part of the discussion but I
chose not to continue as it was getting off-topic.
One of our four foundations is Friends. We have to make sure that every single
contributor feels welcome and that all kinds of contributions are valued and
On March 10, 2016 at 2:37 PM Robert Scheck <robert(a)fedoraproject.org>
thank you very much for picking this up. I wanted to do this anyway, I
was in touch yesterday with Remy during the meeting in /query shortly.
First of all: My word "real" wasn't perfectly choosen, I am sorry for
Robert, I do believe that you didn't want to upset the Albanian community in any
way. Still, I do not agree with your reasoning.
From mypoint of view, mostly by looking back over the years, a "young
has IMHO still after 2 years the risk to fall down (even I do not hope
at all). I might be wrong here, but most of the activity in Albania
in 2014, thus it's from my point of view a "young community".
Yes, there is the risk you mention, but we don't have to think like that. As
mentors and as part of this project's leadership we have to inspire, encourage
and enable contributors across the regions in order to grow their communities
If they fail to do so, it's partly our fault as well.
Given I mentioned Greece as well: I'm not absolutely sure without digging
through old mails, but around 2008-2010, there was really a lot of
in Greece regarding Fedora; I'm tempted to say maybe even more than now.
Very sad thing is that there was a "down" after that, because quite a lot
of the Fedora ambassadors went to Mozilla (I don't want to blame Mozilla
here for anything) and a fair part to openSUSE. And if I'm not completely
wrong for what I looked up and noticed, most of the currently active Greek
ambassadors started after that "down". Again, while leaving and joining is
part of the community life, it was sad at that time to see that Mozilla
more attractive or fascinating or whatever for contributing. It's
to learn from the past - I would like to avoid such a thing for the
Quite a lot went to Mozilla? I can count only three people, which are still part
of the Fedora community as well.
Also, why do you think this happened?
A fair part to openSUSE? That's not true at all. Please, get your facts
The Greek Fedora community has 17 contributors currently. Two of them are
currently part of the Fedora leadership. During the last FOSSCOMM, a large Greek
foss-related conference which took place a few months ago, nine of them showed
up for the booth; and there were several more that wanted to come but they
couldn't. We don't have that many events in Greece, but this doesn't mean
If you don't have facts, please don't speak about the Greek community again.
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