Hello Christian,

I may be able to clarify a bit the mess.
* Frederico Lima (fredlima) wasn't an ambassador because he was pinging the Brazilian mentor who seems to be inactive or out of reach. However, Brazil is inside the LATAM region so he could ping any other mentor. The reasons why he didn't are out of my reach and not in discussion right now.
* I'm also angry about this topic and wholeheartedly agree with you, Christian. But I can't figure out a way to put some order on the present situation.
* fredlima has been contributing a lot to the project, mainly through translations. In all honesty, I didn't know he wasn't an ambassador and probably many people who voted for him didn't know either.
* The solution proposed was the point #2 in the seat rules that states that FAmSCo if (runner-up) candidates have been exhausted or FAmSCo does not consider them eligible, it will ask Fedora community members that they think would do a good job and would be willing to hold the open seats.
* According to this rule, and giving no one else have other proposals, the candidates are Mitzie, Fredlima & Gnokii. And we have to vote for one of them on this ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/418
* In my very personal opinion, this issue should be voted by all ambassadors. But the rules state that is FAmSCo that will vote to elect the vacant seat. Or so I understand from the mentioned rules.
* FAmSCo mean to clear and modify (wherever is needed) the rules to avoid future problems.

Hope now is clearer for you and the rest of ambassadors who are trying to entangle the mess.

Kind regards,

On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 12:10 +0100, Christian Dersch wrote:
Hi ambassadors,

while reading the meeting log and some more stuff (like FAmSCo ticket on vacant seat) I got more and more upset. The issue with the last election is a serious one, but some people here "discuss" on preschool level… I don't call any names here but encourage everyone to read the logs and build an own opinion. Please don't forget the four Fedora foundations, one of them is "Friends"! Fedora is a friendly and transparent community, not a kindergarten… It makes me angry, that is such an important topic.

On the vacant seat topic I have some thoughts (I'm still not sure what the proposed solution is, finally, so maybe my thoughts are not up to date. Please correct me if I'm wrong):
* fredlima should not have been a candidate for formal reasons. But it happened and we cannot change this. Note that this is a *purely* formal argument, I don't know fredlima and he might be a very good FAmSCo member as many community members voted for him. So this is *really* nothing personal here.

* I see that other candidate(s) are upset because they might have been in FAmSCo when the election would have been correct. gnokii might be the first candidate as he got the most votes of the people who didn't get into new FAmSCo, but it is hard to say how the distribution of votes would have been without fredlima. So I consider all remaining candidates.

* On the other hand people who voted for fredlima might be upset too… I don't know why he was not an ambassador right now and how long he is an "informal ambassador" now. But people voted for him and this must have a reason, so completely ignoring would be a bad idea too…

* So *IMHO* we need some kind of voting with all candidates for the remaining seat. This includes fredlima, as he is an ambassador now and the many votes for him are another reason to give him the opportunity to be a candidate. But other candidates should get the chance too, as one of them would be in FAmSCo now.

* I dived a bit into the election rules. Is it right that we have no clear rule for such cases (well, a case that should not happen, needs no rule for handling, true…)? The vacant seat stuff seems to be viable for me.

* The most important point: Find a transparent and clean solution without any tweaks (like just mentoring fredlima without any further voting, as someone proposed), this is very important for trust!

* Can someone from FAmSCo inform us about the current proposed solution? I have some vague idea, but as there are many discussions, I don't want to write anything wrong or outdated info here.

* And… Please inform us ambassadors about the topic and all progress! I got the information trough some IRC discussion… From this discussions I know that also some other ambassadors (who are not candidates, so they are "unaffected") are unhappy with that topic.

That's everything for now. And again: Be friends and a friendly community ;)

For fredlima: As you are an ambassador now, it would be nice if you introduce yourself here :)


On 02/15/2017 10:13 PM, Robert Mayr wrote:
All FAmSCo members attended the meeting today, please read the minutes if you like to know more:

Robert Mayr

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