On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ilyes Gouta <ilyes.gouta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
> IT IS:
> - inside EMEA
> - an effort to spread the word
> - a temporary task force to bootstrap
> - to teach how to fish instead of giving the fish
Yes, this is how it should be done. It's not about forking and
creating an sub-entity within another one.
> Absolutely wrong.
> We are bootstrapping. That is not a standard operating procedure.
> Once bootstraping is down to a satisfying amount, we merge back
> into EMEA, to have everything on standard procedures operating.
+1
@Pierros:
>> Finally, I would like everyone on Africa to know that I am *totally*
>> supporting our focused efforts for expansion in their region and this
"Finally, I would like everyone on Africa to know that Fedora Project
is *totally*
supporting the focused efforts for expansion in the regions" sounds a
lot better.
I believe also that's what you want! but just expressed a bit
differently :) Let's unify.
Hi Ilyes!
Yeap that's the spirit of the comment :) But I sometimes hesitate to
express my feelings as the "Fedora Project's" feelings... Anyway the
spirit stays the same :)
See ya!
~pierros
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
<sspreitzer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> first of all. I am in no way worried (or concerned) about the africa
> expansion of Fedora Project.
> I believe from my heart, we will raise, develop and foster a great
> thing, based on freedom, inside africa.
> In my humble opinion;
>
> IT IS:
> - inside EMEA
> - an effort to spread the word
> - a temporary task force to bootstrap
> - to teach how to fish instead of giving the fish
>
> IT IS NOT:
> - whether special or not, a governed group inside Fedora Project
> - using its own infrastructure, whether logical, virtual or physical
> - isolating itself
>
> If YOU feel that this is wrong, then simply STAND UP and DO what you
> think is right.
>
>> As many of you may already now, following a recent Ambassadors EMEA
>> meeting we decided to focus our efforts on the Africa region too.
>
> Right, we have decided this in EMEA meetings.
> Democratically.
>
>> I feel like I need to make some remarks though. EMEA region is a
>> region that is used by Fedora Project for organization purposes. There
>> is a reason to have uniform tools and processes within EMEA region,
>> and that is to make sure everyone has what he needs to act and not to
>> create fragmentation in decision making and planning-organizing.
>
> Wrong.
> We have the same tools. We are not fragmented.
> EMEA focusing on africa.
>
>> EMEA-Africa meeting should serve a temporary role in order to help
>> Africa Ambassadors to know each other and help us recognise their
>> needs. Ambassadors meeting page [1] is not reflecting this idea and I
>> am worried that this could cause fragmentation.
>
> Absolutely wrong.
> We are bootstrapping. That is not a standard operating procedure.
> Once bootstraping is down to a satisfying amount, we merge back
> into EMEA, to have everything on standard procedures operating.
>
>> Moreover I am suggesting that a creation of an Africa SIG could
>> promote best the interests of the Africa Initiative [...]
>
> If YOU feel so, then STAND UP and DO.
> If you would have listened carefully the last four weeks, you would
> know, what we are doing there and that your suggestions make no
> sense in the state of bootstrapping.
>
>> Finally, I would like everyone on Africa to know that I am *totally*
>> supporting our focused efforts for expansion in their region and this
>> email is simply trying to find/suggest the *best* way of doing so :)
>
> In my humble opinion, it would be best if you could support the recent
> developments instead of turning the ship in another direction, which
> most people don't understand.
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with kind regards,
> Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
>
>
http://spreitzer.name/
>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sspreitzer
>
> Warum mache ich überhaupt dieses ganze OpenSource Zeugs?
> Lesen Sie hier, warum;
>
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