while reading the meeting log and some more stuff (like FAmSCo ticket on
vacant seat) I got more and more upset. The issue with the last election
is a serious one, but some people here "discuss" on preschool level… I
don't call any names here but encourage everyone to read the logs and
build an own opinion. Please don't forget the four Fedora foundations,
one of them is "Friends"! Fedora is a friendly and transparent
community, not a kindergarten… It makes me angry, that is such an
On the vacant seat topic I have some thoughts (I'm still not sure what
the proposed solution is, finally, so maybe my thoughts are not up to
date. Please correct me if I'm wrong):
* fredlima should not have been a candidate for formal reasons. But it
happened and we cannot change this. Note that this is a *purely* formal
argument, I don't know fredlima and he might be a very good FAmSCo
member as many community members voted for him. So this is *really*
nothing personal here.
* I see that other candidate(s) are upset because they might have been
in FAmSCo when the election would have been correct. gnokii might be the
first candidate as he got the most votes of the people who didn't get
into new FAmSCo, but it is hard to say how the distribution of votes
would have been without fredlima. So I consider all remaining candidates.
* On the other hand people who voted for fredlima might be upset too… I
don't know why he was not an ambassador right now and how long he is an
"informal ambassador" now. But people voted for him and this must have a
reason, so completely ignoring would be a bad idea too…
* So *IMHO* we need some kind of voting with all candidates for the
remaining seat. This includes fredlima, as he is an ambassador now and
the many votes for him are another reason to give him the opportunity to
be a candidate. But other candidates should get the chance too, as one
of them would be in FAmSCo now.
* I dived a bit into the election rules. Is it right that we have no
clear rule for such cases (well, a case that should not happen, needs no
rule for handling, true…)? The vacant seat stuff seems to be viable for me.
* The most important point: Find a transparent and clean solution
without any tweaks (like just mentoring fredlima without any further
voting, as someone proposed), this is very important for trust!
* Can someone from FAmSCo inform us about the current proposed solution?
I have some vague idea, but as there are many discussions, I don't want
to write anything wrong or outdated info here.
* And… Please inform us ambassadors about the topic and all progress! I
got the information trough some IRC discussion… From this discussions I
know that also some other ambassadors (who are not candidates, so they
are "unaffected") are unhappy with that topic.
That's everything for now. And again: Be friends and a friendly community ;)
For fredlima: As you are an ambassador now, it would be nice if you
introduce yourself here :)
On 02/15/2017 10:13 PM, Robert Mayr wrote:
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