On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 14:32 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 05/20/2014 06:39 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> I still don't understand why people dump a summary of their grievances
> on the ambassador list and walk away, then leave members -- who never
> heard the a tiny-bit of their debates -- to wonder what went wrong.
One of the underlying reasons of my departure realization of the false
image the project has been projecting to the outside world and to the
individuals participating in it where amongst other things the project
is said to be free while infact it is being systematically oppressed by
it's sponsor Red Hat and communities contributed being discarded and or
put to disadvantage if they aren't in the direction or the benefit of
Red Hat.
I followed the link [1] in your text. The statements that aggravate you
there appear distasteful when read in isolation. I perused quite a lot
of the responses that followed and found valid points from both sides.
Some of the responses from Red Hat employees didn't come across as
"oppressive" ... I found some RH people arguing in favour of the
community. Those are people too. This is a dilemma that needs to be
resolved with patience.
I can give you several historic reference to that oppression or simply
others can chime in like Christoph but here you can see that oppression
taking place in it's purest form [1] so things that I once thought where
within my power to change are not and those things will never change and
they are most certainly not changing with this alleged new direction
taking place.
That's what most people thought about the Gnome Project after the
emergence of Gnome-3. "Hey! those gnomes are lording their stupid DE
over us. They wouldn't accept a freaking advise or change any of their
concepts" Well, over the years, they've changed and adapted to the
community outcry. They are still adapting. I still see rants on the
gnome lists but there's always on form of change/progress at the end.
The evolving concepts and the reactions to them are all good. I think
the Spin/Fedora.NEXT scenario is similar. Eventually, there's going to
be a common ground.
I devoted 8+ years of my free time to the project and made sacrifices
along the way more then most people would do for the project because I
was under the illusion of what it stood for even after I got warned by
good and valuable community contributors like the members of the Fedora
unity, who they themselves had been bitten by the same mistakes. An
history of the project that our benevolent dictators want to bury in the
past so the can continue to exploit the community for their own gain.
"benevolent dictators" ... *cough*, you mean a company trying to protect
its investments? I wouldn't put it that way. On the other hand, 8+
years of passionate contributions is something. My reaction would be to
protect that investment until its obvious that I have failed. From what
I read on that list, I would wait a little longer to see how this ends.
I can tell you dont spread the word or participate in Fedora
participate
participate in Arch or Korora or any other distro or project instead
where your contribution are valued for what they since it's driven by
individuals that actually understand what community means or if you
cannot or will not represent fedora for with what it actually represents
so people that come contribute to it do so knowing they are Red Hat's
free labour workforce but if you are like me you would ignore that
warning and blindly follow the Fedora path which is why people leave
others wondering what went wrong because if they are like me they have
to figure this out or reaching this conclusion themselves...
JBG
That's why community projects are intriguing and beautiful. Its all
about different people with different ideologies working symbiotically.
Isn't that true in other aspects of life? One thing I have learned from
being part of non-profit organizations is that its no longer fun when
you start weighing your inputs against your rewards. Volunteer business
is like that too. Once recognition is key, then its shouldn't be
voluntary any more. Unlike other NPO's I've been involved with, Fedora
is not taking any offerings or fees from its members. So, sponsors are
essential to its survival unless the project is ready to go the way of
crowd-funding.
I have not done 8+ yet but, in my short time as contributor, I have seen
nice people leave over issues that could be resolved with patience.
Sadly, some of those issues got resolved in their absence. Some
ex-contributors eventually became apologetic of their approach to the
issues that led to their departure. So, I'd suggest you calm down ...
probably give this thing another month or two. Okay?
Regards
Onyeibo