It´s a good initiative, but the world is changing, son DVD distribution might not be that big as stated by other ambassadors, however, I have observed people, at least on my region, install Fedora and/or other distros on a secondary machine (PC, Laptop), typically an old laptop that was replaced by a newer one, so that they can get new life on an old machine.
 
So I believe, it´s going to take a while for this demand to go away, at least on Mexico, and I believe this may be similar on other LATAM áreas, where most Linux machines are not top tier, but instead common computers (A.K.A. not high priced like many DVD-less machines).
 
As for this program, at the moment I can´t compromise, since I have a full time job now to tend for my needs. Back when I was a student I distributed free media out of my own pocket to people who asked, which I will still do, however I can´t formally take that commitment and enroll, because of my job.
 
I hope this is ok.


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   1. Re: Spreading Fedora (Jiri Eischmann)
   2. Re: Spreading Fedora (Frank Murphy)
   3. Re: Spreading Fedora (Jiri Eischmann)
   4. Re: Spreading Fedora (Frank Murphy)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:50:27 +0200
From: Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>
To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Spreading Fedora
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Frank Murphy píše v Ne 22. 09. 2013 v 22:52 +0100:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:56:05 -0200
> Marcel Ribeiro Dantas <ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2013/9/22 Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> >
> > > I would like to bring an initiative of 'Ankur Sinha',
> > > to your attention, for people looking for fedora
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LocalContacts
> > >
> > I'm not sure if I really understood the goal of the initiative.
>
> To help get Fedora on Machines.

If it's more than just burning a DVD for someone it definitely makes
more sense. While I understand that a DVD is still the most popular and
sometimes the only way to spread free software in some areas, I don't
see such high demand for DVDs in Europe any more. You can download
Fedora image with the average European Internet connection within
minutes and buy media (either DVDs or flash drives) cheaply in the
nearest store.
But if the initiative means "hey, I can burn Fedora on a DVD (or load on
any other storage) and then help you install it on your computer", then
I'm all for it because that's where people still need help.

Jiri

> > Is it just like Freemedia but people would send/hand over a blank
> > media instead of expecting us to buy one?
>
> That would cover it.
>
> >
> > At first I thought it'd be more like people coming with a blank
> > dvd, we would burn it and help them to install Fedora,
>
> They may not need help to install
>
> but no.. Now
> > it seems it's more like Freemedia but avoiding us to spend money.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> but may need help to get, that maybe cheaper than on-line purchase.
>
> Is it to be only helpful, when to say, see what I can do.
>
>




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:57:42 +0100
From: Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com>
To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Spreading Fedora
Message-ID: <52401098.eb25b40a.3fed.5b3a@mx.google.com>
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:50:27 +0200
Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com> wrote:

> Frank Murphy píše v Ne 22. 09. 2013 v 22:52 +0100:
> > On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:56:05 -0200
> > Marcel Ribeiro Dantas <ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/9/22 Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > Hi Frank,
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would like to bring an initiative of 'Ankur Sinha',
> > > > to your attention, for people looking for fedora
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LocalContacts
> > > >
> > > I'm not sure if I really understood the goal of the initiative.
> >
> > To help get Fedora on Machines.
>
> If it's more than just burning a DVD for someone it definitely makes
> more sense. While I understand that a DVD is still the most popular
> and sometimes the only way to spread free software in some areas, I
> don't see such high demand for DVDs in Europe any more.


Aside: Freemedia still gets approx. 20\30 requests per month.
Including uk,frank,germany,italy,
Maybe the Ambassadors need to talk to more people outside,
the event\arena?

ie. The ones that are looking for the DVD

 You can
> download Fedora image with the average European Internet connection
> within minutes and buy media (either DVDs or flash drives) cheaply
> in the nearest store.

There is always a fish doesn't know know to get caught in the net.

> But if the initiative means "hey, I can burn Fedora on a DVD (or
> load on any other storage) and then help you install it on your
> computer", then I'm all for it because that's where people still
> need help.
>

Is not the person who can install himself, and only need the disk,
maybe the more promising future asset for Fedora?

--
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:15:20 +0200
From: Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com>
To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Spreading Fedora
Message-ID: <1379934920.1992.36.camel@dhcp-29-29-brq-redhat-com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Frank Murphy píše v Po 23. 09. 2013 v 10:57 +0100:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:50:27 +0200
> Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Frank Murphy píše v Ne 22. 09. 2013 v 22:52 +0100:
> > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:56:05 -0200
> > > Marcel Ribeiro Dantas <ribeirodantasdm@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2013/9/22 Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > Hi Frank,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I would like to bring an initiative of 'Ankur Sinha',
> > > > > to your attention, for people looking for fedora
> > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LocalContacts
> > > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if I really understood the goal of the initiative.
> > >
> > > To help get Fedora on Machines.
> >
> > If it's more than just burning a DVD for someone it definitely makes
> > more sense. While I understand that a DVD is still the most popular
> > and sometimes the only way to spread free software in some areas, I
> > don't see such high demand for DVDs in Europe any more.
>
>
> Aside: Freemedia still gets approx. 20\30 requests per month.
> Including uk,frank,germany,italy,
> Maybe the Ambassadors need to talk to more people outside,
> the event\arena?

Well, I'm not saying that the demand is zero, I'm saying it's small and
it's declining (btw I distribute around 10,000 DVDs in EMEA every year,
so I have some insight).
Don't get me wrong, the free media program has been and still is
important, but the world is changing. Many new laptops don't even have
DVD drives any more. Media are cheap and ubiquitous and Internet
connections are fast enough to download several GB in one hour.
All I want to say is that maybe we should start thinking about how to
move the program forward and adjust it to changes in the world and focus
more on helping users install Fedora than on physical distribution
itself.
For example, here in the Czech Republic, we have install.linux.cz
initiative which lists people who can help you install or largely deploy
Linux either for money or on volunteering basis.

JE

> ie. The ones that are looking for the DVD
>
>  You can
> > download Fedora image with the average European Internet connection
> > within minutes and buy media (either DVDs or flash drives) cheaply
> > in the nearest store.
>
> There is always a fish doesn't know know to get caught in the net.
>
> > But if the initiative means "hey, I can burn Fedora on a DVD (or
> > load on any other storage) and then help you install it on your
> > computer", then I'm all for it because that's where people still
> > need help.
> >
>
> Is not the person who can install himself, and only need the disk,
> maybe the more promising future asset for Fedora?
>




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:43:14 +0100
From: Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com>
To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Spreading Fedora
Message-ID: <52402959.8852b40a.6830.ffffa0d6@mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:15:20 +0200
Jiri Eischmann <eischmann@redhat.com> wrote:

> > Aside: Freemedia still gets approx. 20\30 requests per month.
> > Including uk,frank,germany,italy,
> > Maybe the Ambassadors need to talk to more people outside,
> > the event\arena?
>
> Well, I'm not saying that the demand is zero, I'm saying it's small
> and it's declining (btw I distribute around 10,000 DVDs in EMEA
> every year, so I have some insight).

Therefore it may not cause harm, to give one or two more from your
own kindness, to those who cannot attend an event.

> Don't get me wrong, the free media program has been and still is
> important, but the world is changing. Many new laptops don't even
> have DVD drives any more.
 Media are cheap and ubiquitous and
> Internet connections are fast enough to download several GB in one
> hour.

But, cannot be applied to each and all, even in G7 countries.

> All I want to say is that maybe we should start thinking
> about how to move the program forward and adjust it to changes in
> the world and focus more on helping users install Fedora than on
> physical distribution itself.

There are changes in the world, but a rising tide,
does not lift all boats.

If they can install themselves, they are more ripe to help Fedora
Which is the reason to give out any form of media\dl\etc..

> For example, here in the Czech Republic, we have install.linux.cz
> initiative which lists people who can help you install or largely
> deploy Linux either for money or on volunteering basis.
>

Are they not allowed to install themselves,
if you give them the means.

--
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com



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