please analyze either the ticket:
If the ambassador violated the code of conduct == revoke
ambassador inactive for 2, 3, 4 years and in the FAS
account estatus == inactive
Agreement contributor: == unsigned
This user has no interest in being part of the community for a long time?
or yes?
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This ticket is based on a discussion from the last FAmSCo meeting:
The basic question is if the ambassador membership is for lifetime or not.
If we agree it's not, we should have some mechanism to remove ambassadors.
*What cases should this cover?*
1. ambassadors who has extensively violated Fedora Code of Conduct and
our values.
1. ambassadors who hasn't been responsive for a long time and are no
longer connected to the Project in any way.
2014-02-27 13:11 GMT-05:00 Tristan Santore <
tristan.santore(a)internexusconnect.net>:
On 27/02/14 17:47, Robert Mayr wrote:
> 2014-02-27 17:40 GMT+01:00 Tristan Santore
> <tristan.santore(a)internexusconnect.net>:
>
>> I did read your ticket, I had to login for that one!
>> Question is did you read my reply properly. SHOULD had a real meaning
>> there.
>> Also, this discussion has come up for years and years. Some FAS accounts
>> are
>> already set as inactive under certain conditions. I made sure to check
>> with
>> Infra before I wrote a reply.
>>
>> Also, my last email was strongly worded, because some imbecile complained
>> about another ambassadors activity or lack thereof and questioning why he
>> was using another distribution.
>>
>> Quite frankly, either which is none of the persons businesses and not a
>> good
>> way to encourage ambassador activities.
>>
>> So, I would like to know, where you think I have twisted "claims", I
>> actually quoted a bit of your ticket too.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tristan
>>
> Are you sure you read it properly? I think not, and I don't understand
> why you are throwing around with these rough statements, which are
> offending people.
> The purpose of this ticket (and discussion) is to get done with this
> topic one time for all, asking also for inputs which could help
> figuring it out the best way. If you think the ticket is against you
> I'm sorry, or why do you use words as " because some imbecile
> complained" ??
> Please calm down, I don't want to read such offending words here, not
> against FAmSCo and not against anyone within the Fedora Project. Why
> don't you propose a solution or a better process instead?
> Regards.
>
> If you complain about a volunteer, which is what being a Fedora
Ambassador is
, that he/she is not doing enough, when they have their Thesis to write,
because that is what will feed them for the rest of their lives, allowing
them to be a Fedora Ambassador in the first place, nevermind the fact that
you are being not only unethical, but also beyond the acceptable conduct as
an ambassador, then I think you are being an imbecile. Also, as imbecile is
not a swear word, I do not understand how you could be offended by that
statement, unless of course you were the person having a moan at the
individual involved.
Also,I have proposed a solution, see my last email. There clearly is an
issue in Brazil, which might also relate to other countries.
We do have a motto in Fedora. Freedom, Friends, Features, First.
Now, in my book, if you manage to annoy people that much, that they become
inactive, or you hassle them to be more active, then you are violating two
of our core principals, namely Freedom and Friends.
So, I will repeat! We need to substantiate why people have become inactive
amongst the Fedora Ambassador Programme. So, contact those people in a
friendly manner, asking them if they would mind participating in an
anonymous survey, as to why they are no longer active in the ambassadors
group. I suggest a Fedora Election based system, with a questionnaire. This
will not only save the Mentors and FAMSCO people from having to deal with
100s of cases of inactive members, but would also get to the bottom of the
issue.
Using pesticide on a field that has no pests, is a bit silly. So, find out
what is wrong. If 35 out of 50 people become inactive and the remainder
becomes disgruntled, there clearly is an issue there. And I am not only
talking about the people being inactive here! Why anyone would take all of
this as serious as that, is quite frankly beyond me, but also might explain
why the other 35 are inactive in the first place (just a thought).
In other words, without quantification and qualification of the perceived
issues, we will never know in the first place! So make a survey! How else
are you going to make the ambassadors programme better ?
Appeasing the few and disgruntling the many is not a good method in
increasing Fedora Contributor numbers.
I think Pierre makes a valid point, when he mentions different cultural
backgrounds. So, maybe it should be made clear that people should not take
this that serious and have FUN (remember now: Freedom and Friends)! You can
have plenty of aggro doing your day job or stress from your education. Not
many people will be turned on by hassle coming from their leisurely
activities.
Regards,
Tristan
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