First of all i never proposed to fire people (i hope someone has understood this thing) and it wouldn't a proposal but a topic to start a serious discussion over the future of the project. I don't know where you have read the word "fire", "trown out" etc.... but as you know i want to help people not to create problems and frustrations or to force people doing something:  I never thought to remove people from the project.  

And, please, stop this past (closed) discussion (see the Thomas Chung's Message to M-L for more information).


I think the IRC weekly meetings are one of the place you can communicate with Ambassadors, but there are a lot of other tools like M-L and  Ambassadors' EMAIL (in many ambassadors' wikis).

As happened for the last Italian Linux Day many contributors, that weren't ambassadors, ask me for CDs. DVDs and similar stuffs, and personally i've tried to complete all the request.

I f you need help you may contact one of you country's ambassador asking him to help you not only asking him materials but what you want. At the end we are here to do those things. 

Hoping i've answered (completely) to your questions and staying avaiable for any other ones

Francesco Ugolini



-----Messaggio originario-----
Da: Claus Reheis <polytropolis@gmail.com>
A: fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com
Inviati: Mar 30 Ott 2007 14:21
Oggetto: Re: R: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings

Dear Francesco Ugolini!

In the year 2006 was a small Linux Day in Tirol/Austria!
Because I am am big fan of the Fedora distribution and the lack of
any Fedora presence on that event, I thought about doing some
advertisement for the Fedora Project!
There was no way to get some nice Fedora stuff, without joining the
Fedora Ambassador Project!
So I did that and I do not regret it.


But the meetings are at times, very hard for me to attend!
I work in a hotel and at (14:00 UTC) 16:00 I have to work all the time.
Sure I have a day off, but that day changes every season.
The meetings at (22:00 UTC) 0:00 are very late, especially when you have
to get up early...

I am sure there are also other people in my situation!
We have our lives, our obligations, our work and our families!
So why do we not think about a way to communicate where people can
attend when and if they want?
A Ambassador forum where we communicate via threads independent from
time,location and situation!

If there are IRC meetings every month, and the meetings are hold on
times I can attend, I will attend. 

And your proposal in the past to fire people from the Ambassador
project, is imho just unconscionable.

There are people like me, not involved in IT, wo have to work for their
life, their family, attend their friends and little rest of the time 
to their hobbies!Maybe one of this hobby is Linux/Fedora.
So if they advertise Fedora to everyone who is interested in Linux,
 talk about it and even go to local events and represent the Fedora
Project, imho that is enought to be an ambassador!

I am one of this kind and if you wish to fire someone, start with me.

Claus Reheis

On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 06:09 -0400, francescougolini@aol.it wrote:
> Nobody was trow out: we had a discussion and people said clearly they 
> disagree completely with this proposal.
> 
> So i think it couldn't really help the project trying to speculate 
> using obsolete arguments: we have just to do what you want (freely) to 
> do.
> 
> Yes, yo may disagree with my idea, but i'm not an imperor (i'm an 
> ambassador like you), i've just prosed some (costructive) discussions 
> and, as you have seen, a lot of people join those ones and take their 
> position (and they won).
> 
> Another point. We don't want to make comparison between ambassadors, 
> countries etc...: this isn't the right place and we know each person 
> has different possibilities.
> 
> So, I hope you will think about those words.
> 
> We haven't fire anybody, we don't want to give a prize for the most 
> active ambassadors' Country but we want people who are not angried, 
> unsatisfied or just disappointed.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Francesco Ugolini
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originario-----
> Da: Robert 'Bob' Jensen <marketing-list@fedoralinks.org>
> A: fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com
> Inviati: Lun 29 Ott 2007 18:25
> Oggetto: Re: [Ambassadors] The weekly ambassador meetings
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Fabian Affolter wrote: 
> 
> > Hi all, 
> 
> >
> > It's a long time ago...exactly during the presentation during the FAD 
> at 
> 
> > Berlin I showed a slide (Page 7) [1].  This slide contains an 
> overview 
> 
> > of some weekly meetings.  After a short discussion about why are 
> there 
> 
> > always a lot of European ambassadors at both time (FYI 22:00 UTC is 
> 
> > midnight in western europe).  Someone suggested to split the 
> meetings. 
> 
> > An European meeting at a pleasant moment...but now we can't split due 
> to 
> 
> > lack of attendance. 
> 
> >
> > Since LinuxTag there were 18 meetings. 14 were canceled! 
> 
> >
> > Do we still need weekly meetings?  Is it an overkill?  Is it just a 
> 
> > waste of time?  Today for me it was just wasting time.  Three people 
> 
> > showed up. 
> 
> >
> > Are the reasons... 
> 
> >
> > - I don't care what the other ambassadors do. 
> 
> > - We have nothing to discuss.  I don't know what to tell. 
> 
> > - South America is far away, I'm not interested in stuff from there. 
> 
> > - I have other stuff to do and can't take 30 min off. 
> 
> > - I live in the wrong time zone. 
> 
> >
> > I guess that there is no more any need for exchanging information 
> 
> > between the ambassadors about events and how stuff can be done 
> because 
> 
> > everybody have enough experience to handle it. 
> 
> >
> > On the Join page [2] of the Ambassadors Project... 
> 
> >
> > Step 1.  Participate in weekly meetings 
> 
> >
> > Perhaps it would be a good idea to remove that step.  No meeting, no 
> 
> > possibility for a participation...FAMSco, this could be a topic for 
> your 
> 
> > next meeting. For your half-yearly meeting ;-) 
> 
> >
> > Just my thoughts... 
> 
> >
> > Regards, 
> 
> >
> > Fabian 
> 
> >
> > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADLinuxTag2007 
> 
> > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join 
> 
> >
> > -- 
> 
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> 
> > Fedora-ambassadors-list@redhat.com 
> 
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list 
>  
> 
> Personally I quit giving a crap about the ambassadors project and
> meetings when there was talk about throwing people out, creating a good
> ole boys club.  As it appears this happened anyhow, only people were 
> not
> thrown out they were just alienated.  There are no events in my area of
> the US and quite honestly I do not have the resources to create one or
> travel more than an hour by car to get to one.  The heavy activity of
> European Ambassadors does not help many of us in the US and perhaps
> other parts of the world because of cultural differences.  It seams 
> that
> the EU Ambassadors have no trouble traveling and taking time off of 
> work
> to do something for the project, I on the other hand have a family to
> feed and a business to take care of. 
>  
> 
> Robert 'Bob' Jensen 
>  
> 
>  
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