On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:44 AM S.Kemter <sirko.kemter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
It's time to say something to this. The ambassador program was sabotaged a
while ago. All under the umbrella of more openess. The people who sabotaged
it had just a little experience and only looking to get their own problems
solved.
The ambassador program was once written with quality in mind that this was
the right way you just have to look at openSUSE and that the totally
openess of their ambassador program (have to look if they call it still
that way) and what it brought them NOTHING
The idea behind the mentoring and therefore a selection for the quality
made its sense, sure there been some shortages and nothing which could
havent been solved. But it starts with undemocratic behavior in past FAmSCo
elections, where people made part of this committee even they not been
legitimate to be in it. Just study the FAmSCo tickets its all there.
It goes further for making the comment that I find that someone hasnt the
skills to be a mentor I was kept away from using the IRC for a month.
I made another comment which did lead to the disable of my FAS for while,
I just said that a person should tell all parts of the story not just what
suits her/his needs
What you expect from someone who comes in a ambassador meeting and says I
work for RedHat and now you must make me ambassador, how nice we keep all
logs so its provable.
I don't know the history here and don't want to get drawn into politics
that I know nothing about. I want to comment on my experience of the
Ambassador program as someone who works for Red Hat. My role as the CPE
Manager means I could have easily reached out to my own team or folks I
know in the Council to force push me as an Ambassador. I opted to go
through the process of seeking a mentor and following the documented steps
to become an Ambassador. I sent 8 different emails over the period of 6
months and got 1 mail bounce. I got one reply in January but we were both
too busy and we never got a chance to reconnect. I tried to ping some of
the folks on IRC but got no replies. I sent a request in September or so to
join the Ambassador mailing list and it was accepted in April. I have
plenty of opportunities to learn more about the project through my day job
but I wanted to down this route to get more familiarity with how the
program works and how we are trying to attract people into the Community.
It's an awful experience if I am being honest and the overall program needs
an overhaul. Folks with the Ambassador title but whom are inactive or
unable to help out (which is totally fine as life is life) should be able
to step back and have an emeritus style title to allow newcomers figure out
who they can reach out to and get the mentorship they need.
And this person played a vital role in this changes! Why because there
been trouble in become an Ambassador, and is was the own fault
When I have the opinion something should be changed, then I look first
what the problems are and what things I want to keep and I try to
understand why certain things are like they are. Very often they make sense
then.
But nothing like was done.
There been addressed problems which never been problems at all
br gnokii
Justin W. Flory (he/him) <jflory7(a)gmail.com> schrieb am So., 24. Mai
2020, 00:09:
> Hi Onyeibo,
>
> On 5/23/20 4:46 AM, onyeibo(a)schemefusion.com wrote:
> > First off, if mentoring was the issue with Ambassador Programme then the
> > Join SIG seems to be addressing that --although it might be helpful to
> > find out what went wrong with the Ambassador's Mentor programme.
>
> In the 2010's, Ambassador mentorship focused first on events. Sometimes
> mentors guided for other things in Fedora.
>
> Today, the Join SIG focuses on general mentorship. The Join SIG can
> provide mentorship and guidance on planning events as an Advocate. They
> also provide mentorship on Fedora packaging as a Fedora Packager. The
> Join SIG might also point someone to translation or localization.
>
> So, Ambassador mentorship and Join SIG mentorship are similar, but still
> unique. The Join SIG wasn't meant to replace Ambassadors. It was meant
> to provide general mentorship for anyone who wants to contribute to
> Fedora. This could be event organizing or something else.
>
>
> > I tend to think being an Ambassador is much more than the mentoring
> > process. It is mostly what happens after being mentored or after you
> Join.
>
> I agree!
>
>
> > How is the Join SIG managing the following?:
> > 1. Event Planning
> > 2. Fedora Representation in Events
> > 3. Event Reporting
> > 4. Fedora Representation in Local or Regional areas
>
> Join SIG does not manage these things. This is what the Mindshare
> Committee manages (at least since 2018).
>
> I want to call out two things:
>
> 1. Fedora Advocates
> 2. Marie Nordin's proposal for future of Ambassadors
>
> First: In the last two years, Mindshare Committee tried to improve event
> organizing process. This is done through the Advocate program, managed
> by Mindshare Committee. I see this process working well for folks who
> use it. But I don't think we have done great at getting the word out:
>
>
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare-committee/advocate/
>
> Second: Marie Nordin (riecatnor) wrote a proposal for "Digital
> Ambassadors" and "Event Advocates". It is still under discussion but
I
> encourage others to share their feedback on this proposal:
>
>
https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/145#comment-653606
>
> I like this path forward so far, but still thinking on it.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Justin W. Flory (he/him)
> jwf.io
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>
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