I remember times, where a FOSS contributor could say his opinion, but now we are in the era of "diversity managers" and "CoC" and everybody has to be afraid that somebody, like Jona can comes and point the finger at one and crying - there bad boy. And everybody doesnt read the log file to find out what happend, no everybody cries also "bad boy"

What I see here is that some try to make more out of something, what is just bad formulated but on the end the truth.

What I also saw in the starting mail was things interpreted in, which was never said or meant from Robert. Things like he would not honor the contributions of the albanians, thats not true.

So there is made of nothing something and thats the problem here.

Jona, I expect from you an excuse. A normal human being, grown up and mature should know that the first thing to do is talking with Robert, but you preferred to throw dirt at him. Its like the bible says, the one without sins may throw the first stone. So think about yourself are you without sins? Completely without failure I dont think so.

br gnokii

2016-03-15 5:02 GMT+07:00 Giannis Konstantinidis <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>:

Hey Joerg,

On March 14, 2016 at 10:07 PM Joerg Simon <jsimon@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

i have not followed this discussion and will not further jump into it -
with this statement i think you go overboard yourself by marginalize the
work of the other communities as long as there are no proper metrics
what the most active Fedora Community in EMEA means

It was not my intention to put other communities behind, I must have said it in a wrong way and I'm sorry about that. What I was trying to say is that their community is extremely active and that everyone should value that. We need to encourage them to keep growing.

Comments like "this community might not exist in the next two years" or that "this community is not as mature as the others" are not going to help in any way. They will demotivate them.

It's true that there are no actual metrics, but one can at least try to measure the activities of a community by # of events organized and by # of contributions towards the project. What I said about their activity is based on these facts.

Take care!

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